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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 6:35 a.m. PST

I think we've run this one before, but it's a holiday tradition to pointlessly argue it.
So, let's do it every year! It's not even December yet!

I say that it is, most emphatically.
It's much better than dumb Tim Allen movies pontificating over "the true meaning of Christmas" with vapid "teenage elves" with vocal fry in their voices.
Or Hallmark Christmas movies showing love to zombies.

rustymusket Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 6:43 a.m. PST

Sure, why not!

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 7:04 a.m. PST

Attaboy!
That's how most elections are decided!

Woollygooseuk29 Nov 2025 7:24 a.m. PST

Absolutely it's a Christmas movie. Consider:

1. It takes place at Christmas; ergo it is a Christmas movie.

2. It is a heart-warming story of families being together at Christmas, and one man's trials & tribulations as he journeys to be his family for the Holidays.

3. It is a morality tale that reminds us that even though it is the season of good will to all men & women, naughty boys & girls do not get the presents they asked for.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian29 Nov 2025 7:29 a.m. PST

Yup. It's not Christmas until Hans Gruber falls off the Nakatomi Tower.

Raynman Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 7:49 a.m. PST

Yep! What McKinstry said! Not Christmas till Hans Gruber falls off Nakatomi Tower!

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 10:00 a.m. PST

I would go the other way. It is an action film that happens to be set at Christmas time. Not a true Christmas movie.

TimePortal29 Nov 2025 12:32 p.m. PST

Nope, only Christmas in setting only.
Too much killing to be heart warming family movie

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 12:53 p.m. PST

Yes, and so is Larceny Inc (1942)!

Titchmonster29 Nov 2025 1:13 p.m. PST

Yes, yes and yes!

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 3:10 p.m. PST

Of course it's a Christmas movie – it even has people dressed like Santa

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Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2025 10:39 p.m. PST

Too much killing to be heart warming family movie

McClane killing the Gruber brothers and their evil minions doesn't warm your heart?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP30 Nov 2025 2:12 a.m. PST

McClane killing the Gruber brothers and their evil minions doesn't warm your heart?

Isn't that the "real meaning of Christmas"?
It's like getting an ultraviolent video game in your sticking, or a Tiger tank model.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP30 Nov 2025 9:11 a.m. PST

You know, this is exactly the same question as the "horror/comedy one. If a Christmas movie is one that takes place over Christmas, then "Die Hard" is one. And if any movie with ghosts, vampires, zombies or whatever is a horror movie, then you can certainly have horror comedies. (Wasn't there an old series of Bud Light ads in which you could combine any two things? I'm remembering rodeo cowboys roping lawyers.)

But if you think a genre requires certain attitudes or tropes, then some combinations work and some are incompatable. Everything depends on the question you're not asking.

The H Man01 Dec 2025 8:02 p.m. PST

I thought Bruce Willis was asked this once, to which he replied:

"No, its a Bruce Willis movie."

I needs more looking into, but I think it's just set at Christmas.

When else would a cop from one city go to another city to catch up with his ex wife and kids?

Maybe a kids birthday, but it may not fall on a good date, and Christmas may be easier for him to get off.

Is Spaced Invaders a Halloween movie?

Its set at Halloween, bit it's about alien invaders. Who mistake a war of the world's replay on radio as the invasion they are supposed to attend.

The Santa Claus series with Tim Allan are Christmas movies, as it's all about him becoming Santa Claus.

Die hard just uses Christmas as a backdrop and set up for the story. But, barring major research results, its not about Christmas.

Walking barefoot, like in children of men, may mean something biblical. Like Jesus carrying the cross, the broken glass this thorny crown.

But that's Jesus's death, not his birth, which Christmas is about.

Maybe it's more that Christmas plays at the start of the film like the birth of Jesus, then the glass at the end as his death.

Hans Gruber (?) going off the building may be the fallen angel??

The fact they are up high in the building when they shoot the glass and wound John's feet, is perhaps, symbolic of Jesus up on the cross being nailed/stabbed.

He then has a resurrection, as he comes back and wins.

I'll have to watch again.

But I suspect Christmas is for his birth early on.

Remember, the kid in the car stays in the garage at the start, a modern day stable/barn.

John has bare feet, like a baby at the start.

Maybe the cops the good Samaritan. No, perhaps it's the jerk who tries to bargin with Hans and gets killed.

Interesting.

Deucey Supporting Member of TMP02 Dec 2025 10:01 a.m. PST

If so, then "Battle of the Bulge" is a Christmas movie too.

GatorDave Supporting Member of TMP02 Dec 2025 10:17 a.m. PST

I watch it every Christmas so it must be a Christmas movie:)

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP02 Dec 2025 1:08 p.m. PST

List of great Christmas-Horror movies here:
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Any question of 'Christmas movies' that does not specify 'traditional Christmas movies' inherently includes 'non-traditional Christmas movies'.

Personally, I only enjoy the latter; having been pummeled by the ever aggressive onslaught of commercialised Christmas hype over the decades. I've never recovered from the PTSD of one year working retail and forced listening of the half hour Muzak loop. Shudder. X_x

The H Man02 Dec 2025 4:45 p.m. PST

Still working on it.

Looks like John may be the angel/s, flying in and wearing white. The man on the plane saw his gun and was in fear of him.

The building looks designed to resemble a star, both in exterior and interior entrance.

Argyle is hanging out with the bear, an animal.

John has a change of accommodation, its not very big.

I suspect a lot of the main male roles, angel, Jesus, Joseph, are put on John.

The boss is seen tending his flock with speaches, perhaps.

I have a ways to go.

Three wise men? Gold, mere and frankensence?

If I remember correctly the boss gives John's wife (Holly!) a gold watch that later wins the day.

John means god is gracious.

Mcclane means son of.

Please hold your applause.

So, overall he may be Jesus, but as per a trinity, he could also represent the angel and Joseph?

Holly, means the plant.

Hans…god is gracious!

Gruber…person from a mine or pit! Aka the devil.

Argyle means origin and popularity, sounds like the baby Jesus to me.

Ha, hanging with the animal(s) in his crib! In the modern manger where you keep the cars.

Lots of watching, lots of reading and research to do, buy I'd say that's a good start.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2025 11:50 a.m. PST

Gremlins.

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