"The army of marauders: where Russian soldiers’ habit" Topic

mkenny:
"The much touted (Western) 'Rules Based order'.
a)'We' make the rules and 'You' have to obey them
b) None of the rules apply to 'us'."

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This is the Russian view and explanation of Western rules.

The Russian own "rules" are as follows..
a) "We" recognize only the right of the stronger and we spit on all kinds of rules.
b) None of "your" rules apply to "us".
c) But if "your" rules favor "us" and are against "you", we will use them.

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Armand

Getting back to the original post, I think the blaming of a quote repeated by Lenin for the behaviour of Soviet troops in WWII is pretty simplistic. Other points in the article seem more convincing to me, specifically that the troops doing the looting came, in many cases, from areas that had been devastated by German occupation, so the "burning for revenge" explanation seems far more plausible to me. Of course some of those troops were from the Russian SSR, others from the Ukrainian SSR, others from other republics of the USSR. So the spilling over of the (largely superseded) discussion of Soviet troops' behaviour into a discussion of Russian and Ukrainian troops in the current war is somewhat moot given that the WWII troops were from both places, and many other.

As for what is Nazism, I can't agree with the narrowing of the definition to "Nazis were members of the German National Socialist Workers' Party, which hadn't existed since 1945." Of course that statement is true, Nazi is a term for the NSDAP and its members. Nazism was/is a form of fascism. There were fascist parties throughout Europe and beyond that saw themselves as part of the same movement. Post WWII the same has been true. Banderists (actual Banderists, not just any Ukrainian Putin throws the name at) and the Azov Battalion in Ukraine probably qualify. Current Neo-Nazis hold to much of the belief system of the 30s – 40s NSDAP. I think it is valid to call such people Nazis, as indeed they sometimes do themselves.

However, there are probably more such people in Russia as there are in Ukraine, if only because Russia's population is bigger than Ukraine's. Alexander Dugin is essentially a fascist, for all his denial and his garbled talk of being a conservative anticommunist fan of Stalin.

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Dagwood, Ukraine began recruiting soldiers from prisons to fight against its own citizens in 2014. In addition, openly Nazi organizations were brought in, from which Nazi battalions were formed, which still exist. Entire Nazi brigades.
In the Russian army, war criminals are brought to trial and punished, regardless of rank and title. I have already published an article where it was told how a high-ranking Russian officer, a brigade commander, who had the title Hero of Russia, was convicted of murdering a girl. Can you name at least one similar example from the Ukrainian side? A huge number of war crimes committed by Ukrainians have been published…

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Give examples of how the Russian army encourages robberies and crimes. But only real facts, please, and not the chatter of bloggers and journalists…
So I know for sure which side is more like the Nazi army.

deadhead – Greenland? Canada? Panama? Mexico? Grenada? Haiti? You forget that these territories of Ukraine are predominantly Russian-speaking. Not long ago (before the war), Russia offered Ukraine to create autonomies for them so that they could defend their rights. But Ukraine preferred the policy of Ukrainization. Is it surprising that Russians now want to live as part of Russia, since Ukraine is not ready to grant them rights? And they will not leave the land on which they have lived for centuries. If they leave, then they will leave with their territory. Call it occupation if you like. Those who live in these territories call it liberation.

Legion 4. Oh yeah, the US does not need to invade Greenland. Because there is no one to resist. The US will just pay a little and the Danes will break. Do they have a choice?
Do they have a choice?
Although the French and Ukrainians promise to protect Denmark… But I think in reality everyone will put their tail between their legs and get out of the way.

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Erzherzog Johann, the slogan "Rob the loot" was never a slogan of the Bolsheviks. It was a slogan of the anarchists. And the bulk of the Russian population at that time was too poorly educated to really delve into Lenin's ideas. If you watch the old Soviet film "Chapayev", there a peasant asks a Soviet commander a question: "Are you for the communists or for the Bolsheviks?" This reflects the situation of that time very well. It was a force of nature. Poorly controlled and politically chaotic. As for the confiscation of valuables from the population – this is typical of any difficult financial situation. Let's remember the confiscation of gold from the population in the USA in 1933.
Soviet troops of the Second World War are difficult to divide by region. Only newly formed units often consisted of conscripts from one locality. Then the replenishment of units was carried out without any reference to the place of initial formation. At the end of the war, these units were replenished mainly with conscripts from previously occupied territories: Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics. The mobilization reserve from central Russia, Siberia and Central Asia was exhausted back in 1941-43. Later, only those men who had turned 18 were called up from here. And yes, conscripts from the western part of the USSR, who had been under German occupation, were very determined to take revenge for the horrors they had to endure. But in the Red Army, such crimes meant being sent to penal units or being publicly shot. Although, of course, there were quite a few incidents.

Putin does not call all Ukrainians "Banderovtsy". He is talking about Ukrainian nationalists.

Of course, there are Nazis in Russia. But there are no Nazi organizations. They existed in the 90s, but were brutally defeated and banned, like any nationalist ideology. Many Nazis were sent to prison or fled abroad. They are the ones who now form the basis of the Ukrainian "Russian Volunteer Corps". And that is why they have absolutely no chance of raising the people of Russia against Putin.
Russia is a multinational and multi-confessional country. Any radicalism is dangerous for Russia and will be mercilessly destroyed. With the full support of the overwhelming majority of the population. We do not need such "democracy" and "tolerance".
I would probably agree with Dugin's assessment. His ideas echo the ideas of Mussolini. But not Hitler. But where are there no elements of fascism now? Even in the West, freedom of speech is disappearing, elections are being rigged and imitated, political opponents are being physically eliminated, dissent is being eradicated…

Some of the killers, the videos of whose activities I linked above, were captured by the Russian army. They are already giving evidence to investigators. As expected, they are members of one of the Ukrainian Nazi units:

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"Putin does not call all Ukrainians "Banderovtsy". He is talking about Ukrainian nationalists."

He is talking about Ukrainians who refused to be slaves of Putin's RaZZists.
RaZZism – Russian Racistic Orthodox Nazi Fascism.
Putin hates free people.

But Russians are very tolerable to their nonrussian slaves like islamic terrorists are tolerable to their LGBT supporters.

And now these Ukrainians are slaves of the West? They live and fight on credit, selling their land and its mineral wealth to Western companies, women, children, organs of killed soldiers… And this will be their life for many years. The loans will have to be repaid. So who is in slavery to whom?

Free people are hated by those who forbid people to speak their native language, who take away their churches from people and turn them into entertainment clubs, who drive people by force to die for a corrupt government.

A person who thinks in categories of slaves and masters cannot understand Russians)))

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This clip was created by my fellow countrymen, Altai by nationality. Volunteer detachment "Siberian Brotherhood". Enjoy)))

"And now these Ukrainians are slaves of the West?"

Of course not! This is the Russian viewpoint – who is not our slaves must be someone else's slaves as there cannot be free people.

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"They live and fight on credit"

The Russians as aggressors will pay these credits.

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"Free people are hated by those who forbid people to speak their native language"

Correct! Russians forbid people to speak their native langues. This is called russification. There must be no free people, only russified slaves. Two Italian slaves to every Russian family, as Russian Goebbels Solovjov says years ago.

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"A person who thinks in categories of slaves and masters cannot understand Russians"

Russians cannot understand Russians?!? Probably true. These Russians who understand Russians, flee to free West at the first opportunity.

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"This clip was created by my fellow countrymen, Altai by nationality. Volunteer detachment "Siberian Brotherhood". Enjoy)))"

A lot of russified slaves. Such is the fate of slaves – to go to war for their slavers.
The same fate has been destined for the Ukrainians by the Muscovites – to go to war with NATO for Russians. If Muscovites win.

Pathetic attempt)))

"Pathetic attempt"

Your tries to argue and justify Russian crimes?
Or Russians attempts to slave Ukrainians?
Both very true!

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"The loans will have to be repaid."

btw.. this is why Ukraine cannot lose. Investors want their money back.
Ukraine will be supported until Russia will be ready to pay.

You are incredibly boring. Just to the point of yawning…

"You are incredibly boring. Just to the point of yawning…"

I understand you, you're only excited by the possibilities of killing, raping, torturing, and enslaving your neighbours.

Ouch.

"Bunkermeister, any war is terrible."

Yet the Russians always strive to make war worse than in has to be.

"A Nazi is someone who hates people of a different nationality.
A racist is someone who hates people of a different race.
Could there be any other interpretations?"

"You shouldn't raise the topic of nations historically prone to war crimes. You won't like it… Western military personnel definitely commit no fewer such crimes than, say, the Russian army. They just try their best to hush them up."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! When Warsaw was saved by 'The Miracle on the Vistula' in 1920, the entire northern half of the Russian army retreated into East Prussia. They preferred internment to walking across Poland because the countryside had risen over the mass atrocities they committed as they marched west.
Yes, there are other interpretations. The actual definitions of the words. Geez.

"About 450,000 people have signed a contract for military service in 2024. In addition, more than 40,000 citizens have joined volunteer formations and gone to the special military operation zone,"

And yet, the people 'rounded up like animals' are kicking your ass. Really says something about Russian manhood, doesn't it?

Oh yeah, the US does not need to invade Greenland. Because there is no one to resist. The US will just pay a little and the Danes will break. Do they have a choice?
Do they have a choice?

Wow ! Again, the US just has to make a deal with Greenland … no shots fired and again the US protects the Americans from the CCP and Russians. Who are known for threating the West and the Far East.

And again, the US being Capitalists know, working with Greenland, harvesting some of its natural resources. They, the US and Denmark will make some $ too … Plus, everywhere the US sets up a base somewhere. The host nation makes $ and the villages, etc. near the US base economies improve too.

BTW it may be hard for some to understand, the US does not have to invade anyone … unlike the Russians, e.g. Ukraine …

Oh yeah, the US does not need to invade Greenland. Because there is no one to resist. The US will just pay a little and the Danes will break. Do they have a choice?
Do they have a choice?

Wow ! Again, the US just has to make a deal with Greenland … no shots fired and again the US protects the Americans from the CCP and Russians. Who are known for threating the West and the Far East.

And again, the US being Capitalists know, working with Greenland, harvesting some of its natural resources. They, the US and Denmark will make some $ too … Plus, everywhere the US sets up a base somewhere. The host nation makes $ and the villages, etc. near the US base economies improve too.

BTW it may be hard for some to understand, the US does not have to invade anyone … unlike the Russians, e.g. Ukraine …

Dn Jackson, kicking Russian asses? Funny. How long have you been looking at a battle map?

Legion 4, Russia has also been a capitalist country for thirty years. And it also pays for the extraction of resources and for the foreign bases it uses. Didn't you know? The last Cold War and communism in Russia ended thirty years ago)))

Guys I've come across Cuprum2 and his like on other fora. They collectively are a Russian Official Troll unit. You will never 'win' an argument with them; although you may find you can catch them out in inconsistencies, which they will ignore; best option ignore them.

Guys I've come across Cuprum2 and his like on other fora. They collectively are a Russian Official Troll unit. You will never 'win' an argument with them; although you may find you can catch them out in inconsistencies, which they will ignore; best option ignore them.,

There are Russian trolls about but the numbers pale in comparison to Ukrainian trolls. For every Russian troll there are 100+ Ukrainian ones.Several of the latter are posting here.
I guess now that the direction of the 'war' is clearer these Ukr. trolls feel the need to vent.

So mkenny admits that he is an Russian troll.
Russian trolls textbooks suggest to call all normal people, who stand against Russian trolls disgusting lies, Ukrainian trolls.

"A Nazi is someone who hates people of a different nationality.
A racist is someone who hates people of a different race.
Could there be any other interpretations?"

Yes, their actual definitions.

"Dn Jackson, kicking Russian asses? Funny. How long have you been looking at a battle map?"

As of 2024:
Russia Ukraine
Men: 69 million 22 million
Soldiers: 1.3 million 900,000
Reservists: 2 million 1.2 million
Paramilitaries: 250,000 100,000
Aircraft: 4,255 321
Armored Vehicles:161,000 22,000
Artillery: 17,000 2,500
Ships: 781 104

Three years after a surprise invasion meant to last days: Russia is begging for help from third world dictatorships and Ukrainian troops are in Russia proper. So yes, Cuprum, Russia is getting it's collective ass kicked.

Yep that's it. My cover is blown. It took me over 50 years to build up this ID but a super-smart Ukrainian shill saw through me straight away. Dang it, them there Ukrainians sure is clever peoples……………….

Russia has also been a capitalist country for thirty years. And it also pays for the extraction of resources and for the foreign bases it uses. Didn't you know? The last Cold War and communism in Russia ended thirty years ago)))

Yes Russia is a Capitalist country like China is. And I am very aware that the Cold War is [supposedly] over … but facts will say otherwise. This is Cold War 2.0. I served '79-'90 on active duty. During the Cold War. I'm pretty sure some could say it ended 30 years ago. But you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

To Deal With Russia, First Understand What Putin Wants

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Armand

Mark J Wilson, convenient. And Trump is also a Russian agent))) Russian agents are everywhere!!! Look under the bed…

D. N. Jackson, if you consider all Russian potential as involved, then consider all Western potential as involved in the war))) Then, using your logic, Russia is fighting brilliantly)))
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Yes, Tango. Putin wants to make Russia one of the key players in the world again and return it to the ranks of great powers. And he will do it. And it is from this position that his actions should be assessed.
And not only Putin… Turkey, Great Britain, Poland, Hungary are again striving to return to leading positions. Haven't you noticed this yet? And Germany and France, it seems, have decided to commit suicide)))

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UN report how Russia have executed a number of Ukrainian soldiers.

Russia is just continuing its horrible way of conducting warfare. Murder, torture, rape and wanton destruction of all property. Living up to its mongol heritage reputation.

I hope Russia loses this war and is left to rot in its own territory.

The very first film of prisoner execution was in early 2022 of 3 Russian soldiers cornered in a building and they were persuaded to come out with their hands up. As soon as the left the building they were cut down in a barrage of gunfire.

You invade another country without warning or cause, bomb its schools and hospitals, rape and murder women and children and things like that happen. Not saying it is right, but it is going to happen.

mkenny: "The very first film of prisoner execution was in early 2022 of 3 Russian soldiers cornered in a building and they were persuaded to come out with their hands up. As soon as the left the building they were cut down in a barrage of gunfire."

"Good" old Russian trolling with cropped video. Everything the Russians tell us is a lie. The case was also discussed here in TMP.

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mkenny: "Yep that's it. My cover is blown. It took me over 50 years to build up this ID but a super-smart Ukrainian shill saw through me straight away. Dang it, them there Ukrainians sure is clever peoples"

Ukrainians just not lie like Russians, thats enough, no need to be clever.

Ukrainians just not lie like Russians, thats enough, no need to be clever.

I would think 'not being clever' is a pre-requisite to post in this thread.
I see the classic 'demonise your enemy' tactic. The western media is 100% signed up to it and it is only by consulting sources outside the western bubble that you find out what is really going on.

Yes, Russians tries to demonise all non-russians, it is true.
This is their usual tradition – always show yourself as your enemy and the enemy as yourself in propaganda. Like in Soviet Russian war movies – Germans act there like Russians and vice versa. Only the uniforms are correct. Not because Russians don't like SS uniforms, they like them and they even use them in some goverment services, but otherwise there will be hard to tell apart Soviets and Nazi.

Don't worry, Steiner is coming to Zelenski's rescue!

You invade another country without warning or cause, bomb its schools and hospitals, rape and murder women and children and things like that happen. Not saying it is right, but it is going to happen.

Very sadly sounds about right … e.g. currently going on in Ukraine[invaded by Russia] and Gaza[counter-attacked by the IDF after the Hamas 7
Oct slaughter] …

Barbarians…

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Armand