"Top Russian General killed in Russia" Topic

Subject: OSINTdefender on X: "Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, the Commander of the Russian Armed Force's Radiological, Chemical and Biological Defence Unit, as well as one of his Deputies were Killed in a Bombing earlier tonight at the Entrance to an Apartment Building in the Ryazansky District of Moscow. t.co/FhbzUuwwlj / X


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Subject: OSINTdefender on X: "The Bomb which killed Kirillov, is believed to have been mounted inside of a Scooter which was sitting on the Street outside of the Building. t.co/8HxtbRrWbw / X


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At least he avoided a tiring climb to the 10th floor. Ukranians must be thoughtful folk. H

"At least he avoided a tiring climb to the 10th floor. Ukranians must be thoughtful folk. H"

Well it is almost Christmas. They are martyrs to their own generosity. 😉

Ka-boom.

Revenge is a dish best served in an E-Scooter!

More likely to be part of a Russian Black Ops scheme.

Expect a Chemical, Biological, Radiological, or Nuclear "incident/accident" to occur soon.

The good Lt Gen probably disagreed with the use of any CBRN assets in their SMO/SVO. Now he is gone – along with his deputy – gloves off for dark operations.

No verification this is the actual explosion, but it says it is.

Subject: RT on X: "❗️New RT footage shows the moment Lt. General Kirillov was murdered t.co/ERb1kMATAH / X


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E-bike you say! Possibly it was a battery pack that misfunctioned and exploded? Stranger things have happened!

When I first read about this, I was very uneasy. I have never really considered the assassination of senior military officers as a legitimate military target while far behind the lines. I then realized how that position is stupid, especially in the context of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russia has made the whole of Ukraine the "front lines," so why shouldn't Ukraine do the same. This is likely to open the door for Putin to order targeted assassinations throughout Ukraine. I do not see him letting this "scootercide" go unanswered.

On another note – basketball player Janis Timma "falls" from apartment building in Moscow in apparent "suicide/accident".

Payback is a Muth'a comrade …

I have never really considered the assassination of senior military officers as a legitimate military target while far behind the lines.

No it seems today they are. Especially if they committed war crimes, etc.

I then realized how that position is stupid, especially in the context of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russia has made the whole of Ukraine the "front lines," so why shouldn't Ukraine do the same.

Bingo !

This is likely to open the door for Putin to order targeted assassinations throughout Ukraine. I do not see him letting this "scootercide" go unanswered.

Well Putin targeted Zelensky for assassination for a long time at the start of the war. So frankly I don't think Putin's minions are or will be very good at targeted killing. As happened here with this Russian GEN. Even at the beginning of the war Ukrainian snipers serviced a number of Russian GENs and even an ADM or two …

I was not aware until the reporting on his death that Russia had been using chemical weapons in Russia. All the more we should be supporting Ukraine.

+1 Stoppage.

I have never really considered the assassination of senior military officers as a legitimate military target while far behind the lines.

Does that open up the question of politicians being valid targets? And is there a difference between a military dictator and say a publicly elected parliamentarian?

Or a propagandist?

Legion – I didn't realize that Putin had tried to take-out Zelensky already. It seems as if Zelensky is everywhere and that he would make an easy target. That said, Ukraine does certainly appear to have the better of Russia when it comes to intelligence (military/political) and it is never easy to assassinate a head of state.

For purposes of this post, I am considering assassination as the targeted killing of a military individual while not within the broad geographic confines of the front lines or battlefield, carried out by those identifying with the opposing force. I have tried to search for and/or recall other instances where ranking military leaders have been assassinated outside the battlefield at time of war (outside of the Russo-Ukraine war) and can only come-up with a few. The U.S. essentially assassinated Adm. Yamamoto and the British attempted to assassinate Rommel in North Africa, I believe. I do not include the U.S. elimination of Soleimani or targeted strikes by Israel and others that are associated with combating terrorism. There are also a number of assassinations that took place in civil war or revolution type conflicts, according to the internet (so it has to be true). Then again, the Yamamoto killing is not included on the Wikipedia list I consulted, so I am sure that there are a lot of instances not captured?

Can killing a military officer during time of war ever be considered assassination, regardless of where that individual is attacked? If America blew-up Yamamoto in his house in Japan instead of shooting his plane down during an inspection trip in the battle zone, would that be an assassination?

Is targeted assassination an accepted tactic for fighting a conventional war? The assassinations that I am aware of by Ukraine can generally by categorized as retribution for acts on the battlefield that go beyond what can be described as "civilized" war, such as use of poison gas or mistreatment of prisoners of war or targeting civilians.

Perhaps I am overthinking this topic. If you know that an opposing general's headquarters is located at a specific place, you would try to destroy that headquarters together with everyone in the headquarters, such as recently accomplished by Ukraine with use of the storm shadow missiles. So, in those cases, you wouldn't have to task a hit team to take-out the general. Likewise, if a sniper fires on a ranking officer who shows his head across the battlefield, that is not assassination. There should be nothing wrong, therefore, with eliminating a general who has been identified at his home, off the battle field? I would like to think that a decision would be made while considering whether "innocent" persons would be injured. Then again, if the military/political benefit is significant enough, does it come down to a simple cost/benefit analysis? I am glad that I do not have to make those decisions.

Any enemy in uniform is a legitimate target during a time of war.

The UK tried several times to get Hitler.

Is carpet bombing Penemunde to get the V2 rocket scientists okay but blowing up one guy a problem?

If you are at war anyone who is aiding the other side in a material way is a legitimate target, IMHO.

And that is particularly true of those in uniform or otherwise in the government of a belligerent power.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Despite my less than cogent earlier post, I agree, any "leader" of a belligerent and/or any individual who is seeking to injure my country or citizens is a legitimate target. To me, the interesting point is the apparent (?) change in attitude from at least the American prospective. In particular, the often cited debate about whether to order the downing of Yamamoto's plane and whether that was an act of war or "murder." I think that the correct decision was made in that case and I believe that the British attempts on Hitler fall in the same category.

Are there historical examples of assassination being used as a war-fighting tactic? I'm not an expert and have not really studied the issue, however, I cannot think of any instances. I guess the attempt on Napoleon, however, I think that was internal rather than external?

According to CNN, Ukraine has taken credit for the hit.
So, there goes any Russian Black Ops theory. One that I agreed with halfway up the page. 🤷
Unless Ukraine contracted the hit out to Russian Black Ops. 🙄🤷 Well, why not? The hit team had to have knowledge of his whereabouts and itinerary.

Hey. I'm sure Russia keeps close tabs on mutterings on TMP!

"Subject: RT on X: "❗️New RT footage shows the moment Lt. General Kirillov was murdered"
I wouldn't say murder, I would say Karma!

How many black hats have we taken out with drone attacks?

Would the successful attack on OBL compound count as a targeted assassination? He's dead and the world is a better place.

I believe there is nothing illegal about killing a member of the military of a country you are at war with who, quite specifically, is actively involved in planning and conducting that war.

I see this as analogous to the US killing Yamamoto or the British killing Heydrich. Both were wartime killings of combatants (even if Heydrich was more butcher of innocents than soldier).

"Are there historical examples of assassination being used as a war-fighting tactic?"

In 1864 Gen. Kilpatrick and Col. Ulric Dahlgren led a cavalry raid n Richmond to try to free captured Union prisoners. Dahlgren was killed. On his body were found orders to burn Richmond and kill Jeff Davis and his cabinet.

In 1865 Lincoln was assassinated and some now argue that Booth was being directed by the Confederate Secret Service.

When we entered Afghanistan in 2001 the Taliban leader Mulla Omar was targeted at one point by a drone operator. A junior JAG officer ordered the operator not to kill him as he was a civilian. Rumsfield was furious.

So, yes, its been done before.

I think it was pretty common in ancient and Medieval times.

I didn't realize that Putin had tried to take-out Zelensky already. It seems as if Zelensky is everywhere and that he would make an easy target. That said, Ukraine does certainly appear to have the better of Russia when it comes to intelligence (military/political) and it is never easy to assassinate a head of state.

Yes Putin was to has sent in "hit Squads/Teams" a number of times at the beginning of the war. As soon as he found out Ukraine was going roll over in 3 days. And his losses mounted …

Are there historical examples of assassination being used as a war-fighting tactic?

More recently, Iran's top Spec Ops GEN Suleimani was taken out by a Drone in Iraq during the Trump admin. Some may argue the point, however, he was an enemy GEN during the GWOT. In a combat zone.

I believe what the IDF has done recently during the ongoing war. Killing off many Hamas and Hezbollah leaders, etc. many in Iran, Gaza and Syria. Was not illegal and very effective.

Again with the GWoT the rules have been expanded so to speak. Plus the SEALs took out ISIS's top leader Al-Baghdadi a few back. And more recently AQ's 2IC AZK was droned shortly after the A'stan withdrawal debacle.

When it comes to the GWoT, I think the saying "Kill them all and let God sort them out." is appropriate … As well as "The only good terrorist is a dead one." …

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Maybe the Times can now have Medvedev whacked although I think most Russians would view that favorably.

This is a good example of what happens when people decide to ignore the rules and customs of war and international conduct, and discover that other people can ignore them right back.

Wellington told a battery commander not to fire at Napoleon at Waterloo, and there was a time when even sniping was thought uncomfortably close to murder. Fast forward a century or so, and Roosevelt and Frank Knox sought the advice of religious leaders before they agreed to Yamamoto's assassination. Since then, the KGB and its successors have been restrained in targeting either domestic dissenters or foreign adversaries principally by the question of whether the blowback would be worse than the gain. The FSB has assassinated people both at home and in foreign countries, in both war and peace; the only argument the Russians have left in response to this murder is, "wait and see what we do to you."

Sometimes a society gets what it deserves.

McK +1

"wait and see what we do to you."

That should be SOP for how the US treats Iran …

This may have other, unexpected effects, in that others in Russia may reject being promoted to positions that make them a favored target. If everyone around Putin is dropping like flies, soon even the flies won't want to be around him.

Legion 4, Putin planned to kill Zelensky? How many missile strikes did the Russians launch on the government quarter in Kyiv?

Grattan54, there is not a single confirmed case of the Russians or Ukrainians using unconventional weapons. But there are Western laboratories captured by the Russians in Ukraine. And the murdered general was engaged in research in this direction. I think this is the reason why the attack was directed specifically against him.

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You should have noticed that a high-ranking Russian general lived in an ordinary apartment building, among ordinary citizens, without any special security (only the driver of his official car)…

Parzival, I hope that this will lead to Putin finally taking off his "white gloves" and starting to fight "like adults". For example, completely destroy Ukraine's energy sector, destroy the Beskydy Tunnel and the remaining bridges across the Dnieper.
And finally, he will also move on to terror against the leadership of the Ukrainian armed forces.

Zelensky, as I understand it, decided to copy the methods of Israel's total war… And the West supports such methods. Oh well. We'll take this into account for the future ;)

Oh, the noble Putin with his loving bombing of population centers, schools, and children's hospitals. How could we not all see his generosity and kindness of spirit? It was out of love that he emptied Russia's prisons of rapists and murderers, and sent them instead to ravage the children of Ukraine! Was it not from his heart that he conscripted hundreds of thousands of Russian sons and gave them rifles that didn't shoot, tanks that couldn't run, and officers who couldn't lead, and sent them into battle for a few measly strips of land, for his own great glory! All hail the wondrous man of peace that is Putin! Praise his name to the heavens! Oh, his righteousness is indeed immeasurable!
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NOT! (In case I wasn't clear.)

And it doesn't surprise me that you spout anti-Semite propaganda straight from the Islamofascist state of Iran. "Total War"? Seriously? Rape, beheading babies, and torture are "total war." Actually, those are war crimes, even for total war. Learn your terms.

Done with you.

"oh well, we'll take this into account in the future" translates pretty neatly into, "wait and see what I do to you."

Nothing if not predictable.

Parzival, why are you so excited? Is this your way of reacting to the truth that you don't like?
And where did you see anti-Semitic propaganda? I only said that Israel uses similar methods of war. And for a very long time. What is the lie here?
Don't tell the Russians about the atrocities of jihadists – we have seen it many times here, at home. And we don't see anything wrong with the fact that the war against terrorists is waged with the most brutal methods. But there are still certain rules of war between states. More precisely, they used to exist, but now they are rapidly deteriorating.

Nine pound round, this means: "now we will play with you by your own rules")))

Putin planned to kill Zelensky? How many missile strikes did the Russians launch on the government quarter in Kyiv?

Well since I'm not there. I can only go by what I see and hear in the media. Regardless Putin attacked a sovereign nation. For questionable reasons, if any … So, if some reports say Putin did some things we in the West find negative. He fits all the usual suspects. And continues to reinforce that observation …

Once, a strike was made on the government quarter – a single precise strike destroyed the government communications center. The Ukrainian parliament, the Ukrainian president, all high-ranking officials have never been subjected to targeted attacks (well, except in Ukrainian propaganda, which cannot be verified). In the style of James Bond – the treacherous Russians sent their agents with poison and daggers))) Apparently they just ran out of missiles again…

For me personally, eight years of artillery and rocket attacks on peaceful cities for dissent and disagreement with the rebels who seized power in the country is more than enough reason to start a war. I don't see any point in discussing this.

By the way, what do you think of Zelensky's attempt to bribe the president of Slovakia?

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Western politicians are protecting their laundry for laundering stolen money… That's all you need to know about Ukraine and its "friends" ;)

In honor and for the occasion of Christmas… I want to send to our friend Cuprum 2 a gift… seeing how the Russian soldiers launch themselves into the attack on motorcycles, golf carts, bicycles, skateboards and old cars… I have in my possession an old tricycle that perhaps they could incorporate into their suicidal war incursions called meat waves… all the best for those brave soldiers who give their lives for their country in the worst way…

Armand

You can successfully pass it on to the Ukrainian male refugees whom Zelensky is persistently trying to return to their homeland. Sooner or later it will happen and perhaps your bike will help them escape from the Russian artillery faster and save their lives, rather than die in a senseless meat grinder for the sake of Zelensky's stolen millions…

Christmas in Ukrainian…

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"For me personally, eight years of artillery and rocket attacks on peaceful cities for dissent and disagreement with the rebels who seized power in the country is more than enough reason to start a war. I don't see any point in discussing this"

You forget that the Ruscum were firing on Ukraine, the ruscum manipulated the elections, the ruscum invaded a sovereign country, the ruscum are firing missiles into Ukrainian cities in an attempt to terrorise the population and the ruscum who are demanding that they world lays down their arms and allows the ruscum carte blanche to act however they want, vermin, utter vermin,

Tally Ho and Merry Christmas!

Oh, yes. Your beautiful world, based on the rules you invented for everyone else, is being destroyed by the Russians…
Live with it now ;)

If the word "vermin" comes from the mouth of vermin – it's praise.

Like that beautiful Embraer Azerbaijani sources are now claiming was shot down by the alcoholics and draftees in your so-called air defense system?

Give it a rest, Cuprum. We know what you are. And we know that if the Ukrainians were actually Nazis, your government would be making deals with them to divide up neighboring countries- just like Stalin and Molotov did.

Worst… the Plane was not allow to land on Russian Territory… Glup!!!!

They send them to die in another country…

What a beautifull race of people there!….

Armand

Yeah, after seeing the footage it certainly looked like it was hit by an AAA system. Then later with the close ups in the footage. The parts of the fuselage had holes scattered across it. Looked like it was hit by an exploding AAA system or rapid-fire AAA system like an e.g. ZSU 23-4 …