The dumb guy | 21 Aug 2024 9:24 p.m. PST |
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Editor in Chief Bill  | 21 Aug 2024 9:43 p.m. PST |
Ender's Game (Orson Scott Card) Gateway (Frederik Pohl) I'm sure I'm forgetting some good ones. |
doubleones | 22 Aug 2024 2:22 a.m. PST |
Hitchhiker's Guide Trilogy, or HGTTG if we're only doing single books. |
Herkybird  | 22 Aug 2024 2:48 a.m. PST |
The Forever War (Joe Haldeman), or… Dragonflight by Anne McCaffrey. |
Dal Gavan  | 22 Aug 2024 3:12 a.m. PST |
Agree with Herk about Dragonflight, but then there's The Ice People by René Barjavel and The Day of the Triffids by John Wyndham. So many good books. |
Hey You | 22 Aug 2024 5:55 a.m. PST |
Rama Revealed by Arthur C. Clarke and Gentry Lee |
bobspruster  | 22 Aug 2024 6:09 a.m. PST |
Childhoods End, Arthur C Clarke Foundation, Isaac Asimov The Positronic Man, Isaac Asimov |
Eumelus  | 22 Aug 2024 6:11 a.m. PST |
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aegiscg47  | 22 Aug 2024 6:27 a.m. PST |
If you want to go the military route, there's Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein, Armor by John Steakley, Hammer's Slammers by David Drake, or the original Bolo by Keith Laumer. |
lewis cannon  | 22 Aug 2024 6:54 a.m. PST |
I nominate "The Mote in God's Eye" by Pournelle and Niven. |
robert piepenbrink  | 22 Aug 2024 7:02 a.m. PST |
Uh, aegis. The OP wrote "novel." The Drake and Laumer are short story collections. Pretty sure Forever War rates that way too. And if short story collections count, the winner is Heinlein's The Past through Tomorrow. (Honorable mention to the Library of America Lovecraft, Leigh Brackett's The Coming of the Terrans and Zelazny's Four for Tomorrow, which includes "The Furies," "The Doors of his Face, the Lamps of his Mouth" and "A Rose for Ecclesastes.") For Novels--probably Schmitz' The Demon Breed, with honorable mention to A Canticle for Liebowitz, Starship Trooper, Tunnel in the Sky, Shards of Honor, Frankenstein and Drake's With the Lightnings. And how did I miss Niven & Pournelle? Mote, of course. Lucifer's Hammer and Inferno are great books. But I think Oath of Fealty is the one they'll still read in a hundred years. |
miniMo  | 22 Aug 2024 7:16 a.m. PST |
Frankenstein has has some sciency elements, but first, foremost, and overwhelmingly it is a Gothic novel. Include it in a literature class, and there is a lot to digest as Gothic Literature, and very little as SF Literature. For my favourite not nominated yet: 2001 A Space Odyssey, Arthur C. Clarke |
Choctaw | 22 Aug 2024 7:32 a.m. PST |
Earth Abides by George R. Stewart. |
Andrew Walters | 22 Aug 2024 8:31 a.m. PST |
Dune. Lots of really good books out there, but Dune is the best novel qua novel. |
The dumb guy | 22 Aug 2024 8:41 a.m. PST |
I'll add The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. |
TimePortal | 22 Aug 2024 9:24 a.m. PST |
I am a reader of SciFi from wayback. They were cheap, easy to read and I did not care if they got stolen or tossed by my boss. Lol. I liked stories where the characters lasted a few novels. What I read: John Carter of Mars, GOR, Blade who travelled to alternate worlds, and a few others. A watched a lot of TV series as well. |
DeRuyter | 22 Aug 2024 10:13 a.m. PST |
So many good ones already mentioned. +1 for Dragonflight. Loved that series. Ringworld by Larry Niven |
Cerdic | 22 Aug 2024 10:27 a.m. PST |
Easy. Hitchhikers Guide. Next question… |
Grattan54  | 22 Aug 2024 10:31 a.m. PST |
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robert piepenbrink  | 22 Aug 2024 10:42 a.m. PST |
Let me toss Delaney's Ballad of Beta-2 into the mix. |
StoneMtnMinis  | 22 Aug 2024 11:42 a.m. PST |
A Canticle for Liebowitz, is one of my all-time favorites. Also, a couple of Andre Norton "Juvenile SF" Sargasso of Space and the Time Traders. |
Deucey  | 22 Aug 2024 11:43 a.m. PST |
Inquisitor (an old Games Workshop book). |
Deucey  | 22 Aug 2024 11:43 a.m. PST |
If graphic novels count: Camelot 3000. |
StoneMtnMinis  | 22 Aug 2024 12:08 p.m. PST |
Also, The Mercenary, first in the Falkenberg's Legion series by Pournelle. |
Wackmole9 | 22 Aug 2024 12:09 p.m. PST |
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Parzival  | 22 Aug 2024 12:30 p.m. PST |
Y'all are forgetting the men who started it all: Jules Verne 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Journey to the Center of the Earth From the Earth to the Moon Mysterious Island HG Wells The War of the Worlds The First Men on the Moon The Invisible Man The Island of Doctor Moreau Things to Come The Time Machine Mary Shelley's Frankenstein is at its heart a science fiction novel— the creation of an artificial life form. Robert Louis Stevenson The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mister Hyde Edgar Rice Burroughs A Princess of Mars Arthur Conan Doyle The Lost World And then to the post WWII era: Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451 Robert Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress The Door Into Summer Podkayne of Mars H. Beam Piper Space Viking Little Fuzzy Down Styphon Poul Anderson Tau Zero The High Crusade More recent Vernor Vinge A Fire in the Deep Plus of course all the others previously mentioned. |
Greg G1 | 22 Aug 2024 12:30 p.m. PST |
Where to start… Forever War Joe Haldeman War of the Worlds H.G. Wells Dune Frank Herbert Day of the Triffids John Wyndham (British version it's longer) The Expanse series James S.A. Corey (still working my through it) Anything by William Gibson The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (all 5 parts) Douglas Adams |
DisasterWargamer  | 22 Aug 2024 12:33 p.m. PST |
Bolo Series Foundation Series |
robert piepenbrink  | 22 Aug 2024 1:35 p.m. PST |
No one's mentioning Wyndham's The Midwich Cukoos or Kornbluth's "The Marching Morons." I'll grant you the Kornbluth's a short, but we can actually watch those two taking place. miniMo, you're not thinking clearly. Yes, of course there are strong Gothic elements in Frankenstein, but about half the nominees are war or adventure stories. Should they be excluded because not all war or adventure stories are SF? |
miniMo  | 22 Aug 2024 2:21 p.m. PST |
Parzival, have you actually read Jules Verne? Hats off to you! That is the densest French I have ever tried (and failed) to crack. Dumas, Rostand, heck even Sartre are much more accessible. |
Zephyr1 | 22 Aug 2024 2:48 p.m. PST |
The Stainless Steel Rat and HGTTG |
The dumb guy | 22 Aug 2024 3:11 p.m. PST |
Tai Zero is definitely THE "hard science fiction" book of all time. No fantasy handwavium at all. No FTL, no magic swords, no time travel. 👍 |
The dumb guy | 22 Aug 2024 3:13 p.m. PST |
So, having said that, I really like Old Man's War. The sequels, not so much, but a writer has got to earn a living. 😄 The same can be said for the sequels to Ender's Game. In both cases, the original is the much better story. Sequels usually pander. May I respectfully add Dune too? An OP can't gatekeep his post. All I said was "novel", so I'll leave it to the respondents. |
Eclectic Wave | 22 Aug 2024 3:23 p.m. PST |
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robert piepenbrink  | 22 Aug 2024 4:16 p.m. PST |
A quibble, Parzival. Beam Piper's book was Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen. The RULES were "Down Styphon!" You know, Bill, it would probably be helpful to sort this into a "Best SF NOVEL" and a "Best SF SERIES" poll. I count at about ten series "nominated" so far, and several simply weren't novels, or did their first and best work as short stories. |
Andrew Walters | 22 Aug 2024 4:31 p.m. PST |
I can now divide this list into: Books I have read that are really, really good Books I really enjoyed then but would not enjoy now Books I'm just not going to read (you know which ones I mean) Books I really should read Books I really should re-read Books I marvel that no one has added to the list yet (Lathe of Heaven, 2001, Ringworld) Perry Rodan is an *amazingly* successful sci fi series, but it's mostly known in German. I read and didn't enjoy the first book, so I won't be paying it any more attention, but that series has sold far, far more books than any of these. Some sources say it is the best selling book series of all time in any language. But Dune is still the best written SF novel. |
Parzival  | 22 Aug 2024 5:19 p.m. PST |
Parzival, have you actually read Jules Verne? Hats off to you!That is the densest French I have ever tried (and failed) to crack. Dumas, Rostand, heck even Sartre are much more accessible. Alas, only in translation. Any French work is beyond moi! @robert Correct you are! Yes, the novel is Lord Kalyan of Otherwhen… my brain must have snagged on to seeing the rules mentioned here. Oops! |
The dumb guy | 22 Aug 2024 5:31 p.m. PST |
" You know, Bill, it would probably be helpful to sort this into a "Best SF NOVEL" and a "Best SF SERIES" poll." No. I proposed the Poll, deliberately leaving it open ended. It is what it is. If you want a different poll, start your own poll. 😄 |
Parzival  | 22 Aug 2024 5:32 p.m. PST |
I'd also include some classic children's literature, which features some exceptional Sci-Fi A Wrinkle in Time Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH The Tripods Trilogy: The White Mountains, The City of Gold and Lead, The Pool of Fire The Twenty-One Balloons (Steampunk before steampunk was a thing.) Also things that cross genres: I Am Legend Flowers for Algernon |
robert piepenbrink  | 22 Aug 2024 6:48 p.m. PST |
If we're doing children's, both the "Mushroom Planet" books and the "Tom Swift Jr" volumes have to be included. Remarkable the range, considering we're a long way from a random sample of SF readers. Except for Parzival's childhood, there are only about three books I'm not familiar with and maybe 8 I haven't read. But there are a good few I'd only read or re-read if I were well paid, and I'm sure several people feel that way about some of my nominations. |
Dal Gavan  | 22 Aug 2024 8:34 p.m. PST |
But there are a good few I'd only read or re-read if I were well paid, and I'm sure several people feel that way about some of my nominations. Books are like favourite meals, mate, and everyone has different tastes. If everyone nominated the same few books I'd be worried. |
Parzival  | 22 Aug 2024 8:51 p.m. PST |
The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet certainly deserves a mention. Tom Swift, yes— (I have a few of those) Danny Dunn was also big when I was a kid. (One of my favorites, Danny Dunn, Invisible Boy predicted the creation of tiny surveillance drones! And that was in the ‘70s. It even dealt with the civil rights concerns we now face today.) |
Wolfshanza  | 22 Aug 2024 10:19 p.m. PST |
Lotta marvelous SciFi there. Remember reading some of them in those double books. Have to throw in the Rim Runner series by A Bertram Chandler. |
forrester | 23 Aug 2024 4:15 a.m. PST |
It's almost impossible to pick one single novel out of many decades and different styles. Im not so familiar with recent books, I tend to be more with films and TV, though in the past I read the "classics"..Asimov, Heinlein, Poul Anderson, AC Clarke etc and of course the real oldies Wells and Verne and the CS Lewis Perelandra series. Terry Pratchett/Stephen Baxter Long Earth series is something more recent. |
79thPA  | 24 Aug 2024 2:24 p.m. PST |
I don't read much sci-fi per se, but I like REH, Arthur Conan Doyle and ERB. Books are like ice cream flavors; everyone likes different things. I thought Ender's Game was meh. I like Lord Kalvan. I reread it again a few months ago. Star Guard was good. The first 1632 book by Flint was interesting. I just picked up Space Vikings and Planet of the Apes from a used bookstore for 99 cents each. What was the book that had a robot dressed like a Napoleonic French infantryman? |
Martin Rapier | 25 Aug 2024 1:30 a.m. PST |
I'm a big fan of Ian M Banks "Culture" series, very imaginative and he was an excellent writer as well. |
robert piepenbrink  | 25 Aug 2024 3:54 a.m. PST |
"What was the book that had a robot dressed like a Napoleonic French infantryman?" The Napoleons of Eridanus--"Grognards" in the French original--by Pierre Boulle--author of Planet of the Apes. |
etotheipi  | 25 Aug 2024 6:02 a.m. PST |
The Naked Sun; Isaac Asimov Martians, Go Home; Frederick Brown We Can Remember It For You Wholesale; Phillip K. Dick |
20thmaine  | 25 Aug 2024 7:52 a.m. PST |
Enders game was a great short story…. The man In The High Castle A Canticle for Leibowitz Foundation/Foundation and Empire/Second Foundation Dune A Fire on the Deep Ubik Hothouse Valis The Island of Doctor Mareau The War of the Worlds Dying Inside The last days of New Paris The Disposessed (this could be a long list by the way) 2001: A Space Odyssey Gateway The Word for World is Forest Ringworld At the Mountains of madness A clockwork Orange Lord of Light the Drowned World The Drought The handmaids Tale High Rise The Death of Grass Day of the Triffids Midwich Cuckoos The Gods Themselves To your scattered bodies go The fabulous riverboat 1984 Fahrenheit 451 Greybeard ….if time allows I will return to this topic, but first I must fight a duel…hopefully with less apocalypse novels and a few more recent books…
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miniMo  | 25 Aug 2024 8:01 a.m. PST |
All 32 of them, probably more, they're all the best! This poll will go on for months and months… |