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hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2024 1:11 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

Well, as we have to take the lead and not wait until the last moment to act, while continuing to try to find 25mm MiniFigs Crimean War S Range figurines, I also have to find a specific wargame rule for them but I want for my dear ones figurines, a very, very, very old rule like them.

Do you have any ideas?

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2024 3:28 a.m. PST

I'd take a look at Peter Young's Charge!--vintage, simple and relatively easy to modify.

Eumelus Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2024 7:29 a.m. PST

Why not go with the original? von Reisswitz' 1824 "Kriegspiel", as well as the simpler "Free Kriegspiel", are available:

kriegsspiel.org/rules

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2024 8:41 a.m. PST

Hmm. Well, that's about the range. Hard to get further apart than von Reisswitz and Young.

We can be more helpful if we know what you want--what size battles, how many figures and how you feel about rosters.

And for the record, I am myself older than MiniFigs S Range. A single "very" is sufficient most days.

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2024 11:22 a.m. PST

Rules by David Raybin – called Crimean War Rules – Oct 1971

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2024 11:06 p.m. PST

@robert piepenbrink
Even if you yourself are older than the MiniFigs 'S' range,
you are not very, very, very old then.

@Eumelus
Kriegspiel are "jeux sur cartes", no with figurines…

@DisasterWargamer
Rules by David Raybin – called Crimean War Rules – Oct 1971 unavailable since 2019 from NK…

@all
And Days of Empire, Rules for Wargaming the Crimean War
1854-1856 by Adam Stone?

Anyone know?

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2024 11:12 a.m. PST

"you are not very, very, very old then."

Are you sure hi EEE ya? Though I'll grant you rules mostly do have a shorter lifespan than wargamers. (Not normally as bad as GW or Battlefront rules, of course. The poor things are terribly inbred, and live tragically short lives.)

But I'll stand by the recommendation of Charge! S Range figures are big enough to be mounted individually in the old style, and you could be a long time gathering so many that this becomes impractical. Not enough tactical change to require more than a little tweaking.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2024 11:26 p.m. PST

@robert piepenbrink
Were you born before Pearl Harbor?

For "Charge!"» – or how to play war games" by Brigadier Peter Young and Lt. Col. James Philip Lawford, it is available in PDF on the Internet, but a virus is detected so it is impossible for me to download it.

Moreover it is a rule for the late 18th Century what connection with the Crimean War?

If you have a better idea to read it before purchasing it, please send me a link, thanks.

Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2024 8:01 a.m. PST

Take a look at Donald Featherstone's American Civil War rules: link

You will have to come up with special rules for the Russians, but you can't get more "Old School" than Featherstone.

Rdfraf Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2024 9:44 a.m. PST

You can probably find "Jack Scruby" rules online. That is a pretty old school American set of rules

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2024 4:19 p.m. PST

hi EEE ya, Charge! was initially published in a book of that title by Peter Young. Many libraries will loan you a copy. As for period, the uniforms are largely 18th Century, but many remark that the tactical feel is somewhat more Napoleonic. Anyway, still broadly within horse & musket. The Crimean War was fought by armies similarly trained and equipped.

Young himself remarked that it was easier to adapt battles to one's preferred period than to try to build infinite armies to fight infinite periods. What he doesn't say, but his contemporary readers no doubt observed, was that his demonstration battle--"Sittangbad"--though fought out with Tricorn Era castings, was based on the British loss of Sittang Bridge in 1942.

There's an account of the historical battle here
link
and those with a copy of the book can see the resemblance.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2024 4:24 p.m. PST

Oh. And I was not alive for Pearl Harbor--though my father and three uncles were WWII vets. But I was alive during the Truman Administration, being born in 1952. It gives you a different perspective when you had colleagues who flew in B-17's and B-29's.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2024 10:28 p.m. PST

@Nick Stern
I didn't know that one.

And where do we download it or find it?

But I don't understand, with what rules the British players were playing the Crimean War and the Franco-German War at the time (In 1968) when MiniFigs produced its Crimean War and Franco Prussian 'S' ranges.

TMP link

@Rdfraf
That's all I found !

link

@robert piepenbrink
You're still young !

"Charge!" – or how to play war games" by Brigadier Peter Young and Lt. Col. James Philip Lawford dates from 1967 and it is available in PDF on the Internet here:

link

but a virus is detected so it is impossible for me to download it.

As I wrote above I don't understand, with what rules the British players were playing the Crimean War and the Franco-German War at the time (In 1968) when MiniFigs produced its Crimean War and Franco Prussian 'S' ranges.

Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2024 10:23 a.m. PST

hi EEE ya,

In 1968 there were very few published rules sets. Aside from books by Featherstone and Grant, one would have to look for rules in newsletters published by Scruby and Featherstone. If wargamers played Crimean War games, chances are they added their own amendments to existing Napoleonic or ACW rules.There is a link to Donald Featherstone's ACW rules in my previous post. As I understand it, and I play the Crimean War, it is basically Napoleonic tactics with minor changes for some units with the Minié rifle. Artillery was essentially Napoleonic, all smoothbore muzzle loaders.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2024 11:29 p.m. PST

@Nick Stern
Yes, as with the Crimean War, it is essentially Napoleonic tactics with minor changes for certain units equipped with rifled rifles and the artillery being effectively essentially Napoleonic, composed only of smooth-bore pieces; they necessarily added their own amendments to existing Napoleonic or ACW rules, which must have been very sad for some of them.

In this case I wonder what the first rule was specifically for Crimea.

For now I'm studying: Days of Empire, Rules for Wargaming the Crimean War1854-1856 by Adam Stone.

TMP link

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP10 Jul 2024 12:16 p.m. PST

hi EEE ya, downloading is not the only answer. Before there was such a thing as a PDF, there were books made out of paper, which public or university libraries would lend out, sometimes even borrowing from other libraries on "inter-library loan." (It was not unheard of for a library to photocopy they were unwilling to lend. I still have some examples.) In your position, I'd see whether my local public library had or could obtain a copy.

Failing that, there's purchase. Antiquarian Book Exchange prices a facsimile printing of Charge! at about $25 USD--Amazon, inevitably, at twice that.

I mention Charge! because it's about the same age as your Minifigs, it's simple and easy to modify and it keys on relatively large figures. A set of rules written exactly in your window and specifically for the Crimea but intended for, say 6mm Heroics & Ros figures, might not be as helpful.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP10 Jul 2024 10:54 p.m. PST

I keep looking and will eventually find it as usual when I stop looking.

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