"Hamas vs Israel... again" Topic

Subject: Tonight? Iran State TV Suggests Attack On Israel Is Just 'Hours' Away | ZeroHedge


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Subject: U.S. Amassing Aircraft Carriers, Fighter Jets, Navy Destroyers & Thousands of Troops to Protect Israel


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With Iran threating to attack Israel for the killing of Hamas, etc. high-ranking operatives. On their doorsteps. It has to be clear they can run but they can't outrun an IDF/IAF, the Mossad, Shin Bett, etc. attack. Whether by drone, airstrike, etc.

The US sending a CVN TF and more US aircraft is once again too little, too late. That is SOP with our current leaders. These assets are being sent there to intimidate Iran and other islamic terrorists in the area. However, knowing the US leaders are risk adverse and fears escalation, Iran etc. may still go thru with their plans for vengeance.

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"Palestinians will not peacefully coexist," because "they do not have the capabilities to establish their own homelands and make it successful even with the aid of Israel and the United States."

"They are too battle-minded to be able to establish a peaceful homeland of their own," Shapiro wrote, identifying himself as a "past volunteer in the Israeli army." He referred to the Arab world as divided and "belligerent."
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Josh Shapiro

"Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, D-Penn., has had to defend his stance on Israel after an op-ed he penned more than three decades ago, in which he wrote of being an Israeli army volunteer and disparaged the Palestinian people, resurfaced."

I can agree with his views back then

That's what Marxists used to call "heightening the contradictions."

Any guesses what this means:

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Nine, well along with the cancelled flights, my guess another war.

But I'm sure you have as much faith in our leadership as I do. 😇

"The US embassy in Beirut has urged its citizens to leave Lebanon on "any ticket available", amid soaring tensions in the Middle East.
The advisory follows a similar warning from UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy, who said the regional situation "could deteriorate rapidly".
Iran has vowed "severe" retaliation against Israel, which it blames for the death of Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran on Wednesday. His assassination came hours after Israel killed Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr in Beirut.
It is feared that Lebanon-based Hezbollah, an Iran-backed group, could play a heavy role in any such retaliation, which in turn could spark a serious Israeli response.
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Author, Tom Bennett
Role, BBC News
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Fortunately, the Lebanese customs service basically already nuked Beirut, so they should have everything ready for the Israelis to destroy it again.

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Some interesting lawfare here. I assume donors will pay, of course, but money spent on the defensive can't be spent on offense.

Ugh…so cringy yet somehow this little bunch gets re-elected. The lawsuit, however, will go nowhere fast, IMO. Perhaps the students have not yet studied free speech.

So both UK and US foreign offices have issued new advice to all their citizens living in Lebanon, leave ASAP by any means available. I guess we get to see if the next Iranian strike is a bit more effective than the first. Of course they don't want it to be too successful, not unless they fancy glowing in the dark for a few years.

Well Islamic radicals were successful in Iraq today. 😔

"Two defense officials tell
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Fox News several U.S. troops are injured following a rocket attack today at al-Asad airbase in Iraq.

Statement from U.S. defense official:
"We can confirm that there was a suspected rocket attack today against U.S. and Coalition forces at Al Asad Airbase, Iraq. Initial indications are that several U.S. personnel were injured. Base personnel are conducting a post-attack damage assessment. We will provide updates as more information becomes available.""

Yeah US!

Subject: U.S. strike in Iraq kills Houthi drone instructor – The Washington Post


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The IDF killed another Hamas leader in Lebanon, if the reports are correct. What … is that 4 in the past few days ?

Bibi was in the IDF since he was young like many there. He has been fighting Hamas, etc. for decades. The lesson learned is you can't make peace with them or others like them. This time after all these wars/conflicts since Israel became a nation 'in 48.

He knows Hamas, other islamic terrorist and their supporters must be destroyed. As if not a few years from now. The IDF will have to go after islamic terrorists again. As it has been said many times. In MOUT plus an insurgency CD will be very high. As Hamas is using their people as human shields.

They believe with all the pro-Hamas riots, etc. in the US and elsewhere. They are thinking/hoping of getting enough sympathy from the world to give them what want. That is not going to happen. The IDF will continue their missions until Hamas, etc. are no longer a threat. Many more deaths to come.

Mostly agree, but US support for Israel has not changed. We have their back even when we don't agree. Where would Israel be without US resources? A bunch of college kids and their string pullers cannot change our support.

As for Bibi, true…But the buck stops with him on Oct 7 lack of readiness and he knows it. He will have to face the music at some point. And he funneled billions to Hamas for years thinking he could appease them. He also still faces the corruption trial.

I don't know how anyone knows when the destruction of Hamas will be complete. I don't think it will happen in a way that is conclusive. 35th is right about the fanaticism of the region. New name maybe, new leaders, it never ends. Even Isis on the way back.

Polls show Israelis have more confidence in the U.S. than in their own government and 3/4 want the US to broker a cease fire. Polls in the US also show majority support for Israel. The election will not change that.

Legion I think we agree on the bigger picture though. Something serious has to be done about Iran's terrorist jihad leadership, the ones who have been making these things happen since at least 1983. Israel has to do it…but we have to be right behind them to back them up in every way. The Iranian people are not all radicals, time for change.

I agree with most of that. But, the pro-Hamas rioters won't change US support much. However, Hamas may think all this "support" is a symbol as they are winning the media war.

I think the IDF & Bibi will know when Hamas is sufficiently attrited. But also, must know they have to keep it up. As the US did and is doing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria. The Palestinian people in Gaza are the biggest losers. Much of their infrastructure is destroyed and many non-combatants killed and wounded. The IDF will never allow Gaza to be on their own. Not At least anytime soon.

In the end what does the Hamas leadership have to show for their attack on Israel ? A lot of destruction, dead and wounded. And no better off than 7 Oct.

And yes the US has to play hardball with Iran. But as long as they think they can talk with and make deals with Iran's leadership. They are wasting their time.

And many Iranians do not support their leadership. The anti-gov't forces support the Mossad with their ops inside Iran.
And there is not much their Gov't's leaders can do about it.

"The IDF said that according to its intelligence, at least 20 terror operatives, including "senior commanders," were at the site when it was struck."

Subject: IDF rejects Hamas claim of over 90 dead after strike on terror operatives at Gaza school | The Times of Israel


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I'd believe the IDF over Hamas. Is there even a choice ?

Subject: Amid global criticism, Israel names 19 it says it killed in terror HQ at Gaza school | The Times of Israel


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Report I saw today, if I understood it correctly, the US, UK and France have warned Iran not to strike Israel. We'll see if we have any "street Creds" with the Ayatollahs and their supporters. Seems the billions $ the US has given the past 2-3 years to the Ayatollah and allowing them to continue their making nukes … It is questionable if the current US leadership has any "street creds". It also appears the Ayatollahs are concerned about the upcoming US election results too.

Interesting Intel from MSN :

Egypt has more tanks than any nation ?

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Errata : That should read "than any NATO nation" …

Subject: Hamas's Osama Hamdan storms out of CNN interview amid Oct. 7 questions – The Jerusalem Post


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US Sec. State is in the Mid-East … We have nothing to worry about now … (?)

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"The Israeli military said Tuesday that it had recovered the bodies of six hostages who were taken into the Gaza Strip following the Hamas-led Oct. 7 terror attacks.

The Israel Defense Forces said in a statement that troops recovered the bodies in an overnight operation in the city of Khan Younis in southern Gaza.

The Israeli military said it had identified the remains of Haim Perry, 80; Yoram Metzger, 80; Avraham Munder, 79; Alexander Dancyg, 76; Nadav Popplewell, 51; and Yagev Buchshtav, 35."

Now we need to see the bodies of 18 Hamas prisoners executed in retaliation.

Yes, I saw that on the news. One train of thought is sadly that all the hostages are dead by now. I sincerely hope not … But remember some Americans were hostages … Hope they were not tortured, raped, etc.

So, no retaliation ? For terrorists killing/murdering, etc. Americans ?

Oh … yeah … wait … it is an election year… Maybe after that …?

But don't forget the US Sec State is back in the Mid East. Fear not … it will all be fixed as good as new now …

"Every Palestinian supports Hamas."

"A self-described Hamas supporter protested outside the Democratic National Convention in Chicago Monday, while claiming 'every Palestinian' shares his views.

The man, who wore a shirt reading "F--- Israel" and a hat resembling the Palestinian flag, waved banners he said were symbols for the terrorist group. When Fox News reporter Mike Tobin asked him whether he backs Hamas, the protester replied, "Every Palestinian supports Hamas."

"Not just me. Every Palestinian supports Hamas," he added.

Tobin then asked him whether he backs the group's Oct. 7 attack on Israel, which resulted in the deaths of roughly 1,200 people and taking of nearly 250 hostages.

Oct. 7? Yes, I do," the protester said. "What's wrong with Oct. 7? You tell me."
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Subject: Hamas supporter at DNC rally claims 'every Palestinian' backs terrorist group


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Well in many if not most cases, many of these protestors don't really know much about what they're protesting. Again … useful dupes …

"A Sucker is born every miniate !" P.T. Barnum …

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Interesting- and evidence that the killing of the leadership has rattled some cages.

Yes, especially in these types of unconventional forces. No matter how motived they are, for whatever reasons. Killing off their leadership is a good proactive move. E.g. the US forces in Syria just killed off another AQ leader.

Regardless, the IDF can't really trust any Hamas[or Hezbollah] leader. So, killing of the one mentioned in the article probably really won't make a difference. And the IDF knows the more members of Hamas and their leader, the better.

As long as Hamas holds hostages, dead or alive, they think that may be their ace in the hole. But all it does make the IDF even more motivated to keep killing more and more members of Hamas. And the civilian they hide behind. For optics of getting many in the world to be Anti-Israel and Pro-Hamas.

There is no peace with Hamas.

Subject: Hamas Official: 10/7 Was Needed To Undermine Israeli Ties With Arabs; Jews ‘Must Be Finished', No ‘Two-State Solution'


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Rabid Dogs and what do you do to rabid dogs? Well You surely cannot negotiate with one.

Subject: IDF announces bodies of 6 hostages murdered by Hamas found in Rafah tunnel | The Times of Israel


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Where do they find these people?

I used to dislike the protracted primary process (try getting anything done in DC while it's going on), but I am definitely appreciating the role it plays in separating out the bad retail politicians early in the fray.

Nine, Sadly he can't afford to alienate Muslim votes. (Shaking my head).

Today there are protests and strikes in Israel demanding negotiations with Hamas to release the hostages. This is exactly what Hamas wanted to achieve. These people are being willing dupes to Hamas and radical Islam.

Israel remains strong and a country, as long as they stay United. Once they divide and show weakness, their Muslim neighbors will sweep in and destroy them. To Islam, Israel is no different than a Crusader state in the heart of the Islamic world. It's up to the Israelis, if they want to survive. No one else can do that for them.

Yeah, I get that. The thing is, most decent retail politicians are verbally adroit enough to face a situation like that and fend off the question without making news- the really good ones (and by "good," I mean politically capable, not necessarily drawing a moral or value conclusion) can turn it around and come away better off than they were before the question got asked- the most famous case I can think of in my lifetime is the Clinton "Sister Soulja" response. You've got to be politically astute and verbally adroit, though, and this guy doesn't seem to be.

I thought for sure when the pressure started to build on Biden that they would go the "contested convention" route, in part because there's value in putting candidates through a public contest. I was absolutely astonished when Biden dropped like he did, and I'm intensely curious to see whether Sy Hersh's story (that Biden chose her as revenge) turns out to be true. I don't know; Hersh has some real journalistic props, but he loves a sensation, and that has led him to some not-necessarily-accurate claims in the past.

I think the lack of retail political skills is going to be a big drag on this ticket as the campaign moves on, and the vulnerability is a constant drip-drip of support over the next two months.

The murder of those 6 hostages should make the need to very significantly attrite Hamas that much more is required. And yes, more Palestinians will end up dying. That is Hamas's policy to gain more worldwide hatred for Israel.

There is no deal the Israelis can make to get back the surviving the hostages back. As Hamas wants the IDF to leave Gaza, etc. That will only allow them to start their jihad up again in 10 or so years.

The IDF must continue to try to rescue the hostages. And kill Hamas, etc.

And the US is at fault for allowing Iran to gain strength and support Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis …

They ought to be going after the leadership, hard- particularly when they're sheltering in third party host countries. It may have a short term effect on diplomatic relationships, but the lesson that the Israelis can pop you when you think you're successfully hidden will be beneficial from the deterrent standpoint.

If ae don't give away the game like we did with Iran, that is.

The Palestinian dead, are on Hamas's heads. All Hamas has to do is surrender and it all ends.

If the world wants peace, force Hamas to do it unconditionally.

Hamas executes a U.S. citizen. Other than a few media sources, crickets! 🦗
Hamas kills, tortures and rapes US citizens, nothing!

The media and government quickly move on. US citizens out in the streets supporting the animals of Hamas.

They execute 5 Israeli citizens, why doesn't Israel March out 10 Hamas captives per Israeli executed and do the same. If it happens again it will be 20 to 1.

Leadership is always a priority target. E.g. Iran's GEN Suleimani the US took out. The IDF has taken out a number of islamic leader in Gaza and in other location in the area. E.g. Iran and Lebanon. The US recently working with the Iraqis even killed off 15 ISIS including a leader or two in that body count.

Can they be replaced ? Yes … but we, the IDF, etc. will kill them too.

Subject: The BBC breached editorial guidelines over 1,500 times in Israel-Hamas conflict, report claims


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Hmmm ? Who would have thought ?

One of the great stories that I've heard but have never seen absolutely confirmed in print is the story of the moment at the very height of the Cuban Missile Crisis where the Soviet Politburo (which really had few means of striking at the US at the time, none of them easy or quick to use) became convinced that this was it, and went down to the bunker under the Kremlin. It's never been clear to me what did it, but the chief of SAC, General Power, was doing a LOT of freelancing, including some in-the-clear broadcasts that could have been read to read imminent hostilities. Supposedly, that was the time when the famous order was given to stop all the Soviet ships at sea.

Existential deterrence is a powerful thing, and people who are fearless and willing to die do not naturally rise to the top of governments: but people who exercise power and want to continue to do so frequently do. Those people are often personally risk-averse, and bringing the risks home to them has a way of changing their behavior, sometimes spectacularly. They're also smart enough to figure out how to get out of whatever corner they have painted themselves into- and sometimes you can get a behavioral change on the part of a regime without the need for a messy regime change. There are very few politicians who are truly undeterrable.

35th I agree that the BBC has a liberal bias, but the Telegraph and Fox calling them out might be taken with a grain of salt. And it seems the source is an AI-generated word count report, which the left has used against Fox in the past to "prove" bias. Media is a business, they stir you up, then tell you what you want to think all across the political spectrum, IMO. But there are a few especially biased sources on both sides. Its all part of the difficulty we are in.

Subject: Zach Sage Fox on X: "RUSH HAMAS — a frightening fraternity social experiment 😳🎓 #antisemitism #college #university #israel #palestine #gaza #jewhate #columbia #columbiauniversity #nyu #nyc #greek #greeklife #frat #fratparty #rush #fallrush #backtoschool #classof2028 #fraternity #GenZ t.co/I7vejBkapM / X

These guys are exposing the pro Hamas antisemitism on quite a few campuses.

And remember, the ones signing.. vote. 😔

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Tort

The original story was from "the telegraph" not "Fox". Fox was reporting the story. But the telegraph requires a subscription. You can also find it elsewhere. Because Fox reports something, does not make it inaccurate. Fox was available to me. I doubt the story was reported on CNN, NYT, ABC.. etc. but if you find it there, please post it. 😉

Subject: BBC ‘breached guidelines 1,500 times' over Israel-Hamas war


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Subject: IDF Kills Top Hamas Commander Instrumental In Planning October 7 Massacre


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Go IDF !!!! Again !

Another one bites the dust.

Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "Kidnapper Muhammad Aseed, aka Hafes, seen here with Israeli hostage Naama Levy, was eliminated yesterday by the IDF. t.co/2CWzdxt2oP / X


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Nothing in his life became him like the leaving of it.