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GeorgBuchner17 Sep 2023 6:05 a.m. PST

so i picked up CAS and QF3 – very impressed with the depth of these, but its kind of kicked off a bit of a obsession now with ww2 naval rulesets and in particular i like to find all those forgotten past oens and lesser know current ones

is anyone here familiar with the 1971 rules "Victory at Sea"? nothing to do with the contemporary game of the same name. I have not been able to find a copy anyone to buy or even just download online.
Iwould like to know if anyone here in the forum might have a copy and might be so kind as to share a scan of these rules with me?

other rules i am looking for are "Battlestations Battlestations", "War at Sea" (not related to the board game), and "In Harm's Way

lastly has anyone here used "Force Fleet Command" rules or "Surface Fire" or the Supremacy at Sea rules from Canada

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Sep 2023 8:12 a.m. PST

I own a set called War At Sea by MOD Games, as well as BattleStations, BattleStations. And here is a list of all teh appropriate rule sets I know of so far:

  • Age of the Dreadnought
  • All At Sea WW2
  • Arctic Storm
  • Axis & Allies
  • Battle Stations! Battle Stations!
  • Battleship Command
  • Carrier Strike At Dawn
  • Coastal Command
  • Command At Sea 4th Ed.
  • Convoy
  • Fast Attack
  • Firepower Rules: 1900 to 1945
  • Fletcher Pratt's Naval War Game
  • Force Fleet Command (Panzer Korps Module)
  • General Quarters 3.0
  • General Quarters I
  • Micronauts: The Game WWII
  • MTB
  • Naval Thunder: Battleship Row
  • NWS: Naval Warfare WW2
  • Quick and the Dead
  • Seekrieg 4th Ed.
  • Shipyard
  • Stations Manned and Ready, 2nd. Edition
  • Supremacy At Sea
  • Task Force
  • Tinfish and Steel Nerves
  • Victory At Sea (1971)
  • Victory At Sea
  • Victory At Sea
  • War at Sea

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2023 8:48 a.m. PST

Tp add to EC's list:

Panxerschiffe rules and hundreds of ship models from several eras.

Additionally, they now carry N scale TRUCKS if you are
a model railroader.

Lou from BSM17 Sep 2023 9:00 a.m. PST

Everyone seems to have forgotten Seapower (I, II, and III).

Dennis17 Sep 2023 9:35 a.m. PST

Mark, are the "Convoy" rules you listed the ones written by Mal Wright? If not, add those to the list. Also Sam Mustafa's "Nimitz," and Dave Manley's "Find, Fix and Strike."

David Manley17 Sep 2023 9:52 a.m. PST

You could also add my Narrow seas, Action stations! and Schnellboot.

Also 2WW2 Naval Wargame Rules" by Ellard and HAmmond (Skytrex), "Attack With Torpedoes" (Dillon Browne),

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Sep 2023 2:44 p.m. PST

Updated List:

  • Action Stations! Naval – WW2 Tactical David Manley
  • Age of the Dreadnought Naval – WW2 Tactical Charles H. Pugsley & Leo A. Walsh Mindgames
  • All At Sea WW2 Naval – WW2 Tactical Richard White-Watts Agema Publications
  • Arctic Storm Naval – WW2 Tactical Mal Wright Mal Wright (2010)
  • Attack With Rorpedoes Naval – WW2 Tactical Dillon Browne
  • Axis & Allies Naval – WW2 Tactical Avalon Hill Avalon Hill
  • Battle Stations! Battle Stations! Naval – WW2 Tactical Decision Games Decision Games
  • Battleship Command Naval – WW2 Tactical Rory Crabb Rory Crabb, 2018
  • Carrier Strike At Dawn Naval – WW2 Tactical Andy Watkins Dawn Gaming
  • Coastal Command Naval – WW2 Tactical Rudy Nelson
  • Command At Sea 4th Ed. Naval – WW2 Tactical Larry Bond, Chris Carlson, Ed Kettler Clash of Arms Games
  • Convoy Naval – WW2 Tactical Mal Wright Clash of Arms Games
  • Fast Attack Naval – WW2 Tactical
  • Find, Fix and Strike Naval – WW2 Tactical David Manley David Manley
  • Firepower Rules: 1900 to 1945 Naval – WW2 Tactical ASP games
  • Fletcher Pratt's Naval War Game Naval – WW2 Tactical Daniel Dorcy Daniel Dorcy, 1973
  • Force Fleet Command (Panzer Korps Module) Naval – WW2 Hoplite Research
  • General Quarters 3.0 Naval – WW2 Tactical L.L. Gill with N.E. Harms Old Dominion Game Works
  • General Quarters I Naval – WW2 Tactical L.L. Gill Navwar
  • In Harm's Way Naval – WW2
  • Micronauts: The Game WWII Naval – WW2 Tactical Russ Jensen & John Drye GHQ, 2007
  • MTB Naval – WW2 tactical Heritage Models, 1977
  • Narrow Seas Naval – WW2 Tactical David Manley
  • Naval Thunder: Battleship Row Naval – WW2 Tactical Harry Pratt Steel Dreadnought Games, 2009
  • Nimitz Naval – WW2 Tactical Sam Mustafa Sam Mustafa, 2023
  • NWS: Naval Warfare WW2 Naval – WW2
  • Panzerschiffe Naval – WW2 Tactical Panzerschiffe
  • Quick and the Dead Naval – WW2 Tactical
  • Schnellboot Naval – WW2 Tactical David Manley
  • Seapower Naval – WW2 Tactical
  • Seekrieg 4th Ed. Naval – WW2
  • Shipyard Naval – WW2 Ostfront Publishing
  • Stations Manned and Ready, 2nd. Edition Naval – WW2 A and A Game Engineering
  • Supremacy At Sea Naval – WW2
  • Surface Fire Naval – WW2
  • Task Force Naval – WW2 Tactical Ben King Ben King, 1994
  • Tinfish and Steel Nerves Naval – WW2 Tactical G. Roach Bravo Co., 1996
  • Victory At Sea (1971) Naval – WW2 Tactical
  • Victory At Sea Naval – WW2 Tactical Matthew Sprange Mongoose Publishing
  • Victory At Sea Naval – WW2 Tactical Warlord Games, 2021
  • War at Sea Naval – WW2 Tactical M.O.D. Games, 1982
  • WW2 Naval Wargame Rules Naval – WW2 Tactical Ellard & Hammond Skytrex

GeorgBuchner17 Sep 2023 4:01 p.m. PST

thanks for that list i wish i could find a copy of Victory at Sea 1971, Task Force Naval, and War at Sea

Action Stations Naval by David Manley, i dont know that one i know the Minden Games Action Stations

- actually you could add the Minden Games rulesets here too

Action Stations Atlantic
Advance Salv0 European Theater
Battleship Captain

and from Metagaming there was a Command at Sea, which was just a ruleset for the Savo island battle
Yamato from japan for pacific theater battles, which has english language rules in it
and NWS had 3 rulesets – Battleships Zenith, which is ww2 era and for miniatures, but then also NWS WW2 Naval Warfare and WW2 No Safe Port – both of these last two are not for miniatures so far as i can tell, instead hexes and counters and counters representing divisions – could be good for operational campaigns i think?

If someone has a conversion for using the NWS titles in miniature that would be cool as No Safe Port has additional solitaire rules

Scafcom1 Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2023 8:16 p.m. PST

And then there was a set called "Clear For Action" that my friends and I played in the 1980s and 1990s.

colkitto18 Sep 2023 1:08 a.m. PST

"There's the Effing Scheer" was mentioned on the other thread. Going by the title it must be worth a look?

GeorgBuchner18 Sep 2023 3:36 a.m. PST

so can anyone tell me what their experiences with any of these lesser known rules is like? i like the rules that have some campaign or operational level aspects too and am always looking for these

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2023 4:29 a.m. PST

GeorgB the panzerschiffe rules were a staple of our group 25 or so years ago due to their simplicity and the 'campaign'
kinda/sorta Solomons based.

They gave a quick if not terribly accurate game and were good to intro people to almost any era from 1880's to WWII

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Sep 2023 5:56 a.m. PST

Nimitz by Sam Mustafa includes a campaign game. I played the campaign game and it was a very good system and loads of fun. There was a tactical battle but I didn't pay too much attention as I was not involved and surface actions bore me.

Task Force by Ben King is strictly tactical. Here is a summary of them:


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