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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP09 Feb 2023 8:30 p.m. PST

"Christophe Geffroy (CG): In 2017, you published a book entitled, Vendée 1793-1794. Crimes de guerre? Crimes contre l'humanité ? Génocide ? Une étude juridique (The Vendée 1793-1794. War Crime? Crimes Against Humanity? Genocide? A Legal Study), in which you seek to demonstrate that these three types of crimes were indeed committed in the Vendée by the troops of the Convention. Why write a new book on this subject today? What is particularly important about this question?

Jacques Villemain (JV): After establishing the legal qualification of the crime, it must be explained. How could a French revolution that began in 1789 on the pretext of proclaiming the rights of man and of the citizen, in just four years managed to commit, and in the very name of these ideals, these mass crimes? This is the first part…"

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gboue200109 Feb 2023 11:16 p.m. PST

For those who can read French , you will find here a review of Jacquemain's book by THE French historian, Jean Clément Martin, wich is seen by his peers as the most accurate expert on Vendée's war.

To put it in a nutshell, just a piece of crap published with hidden political agenda.

All the best from Paris Gboue

Murvihill10 Feb 2023 6:14 a.m. PST

Books like this in the US are often doctoral theses published by the author after getting their doctorate, I expect to cash in on their research. No telling what the review panel thought of the document.

Lilian10 Feb 2023 9:09 a.m. PST

What a nonsense, I didn't know that Western Lower Poitou has been recognized as a different ethnic group from the rest of Poitou and France

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2023 4:00 p.m. PST



14Bore11 Feb 2023 5:59 a.m. PST

Would more correctly be termed Democide

Brechtel19811 Feb 2023 7:53 a.m. PST

This might be helpful:

A French Genocide: The Vendée by Renald Secher.

From the Amazon website:

'A French Genocide: The Vendée provides a detailed narrative of the civil war in the Vendée region of western France, which lasted for much of the 1790s but was most intensely fought at the the height of the Reign of Terror, from March 1793 to early 1795. In this shocking and controversial book, Reyanld Secher argues that the massacres which resulted from the conflict between "patriotic" revolutionary forces and those of the counter-revolution were not the inevitable result of fierce battle, but rather were "premeditated, committed in cold blood, massive and systematic, and undertaken with the conscious and proclaimed will to destroy a well-defined region, and to exterminate and entire people." Drawing upon previously unavailable sources, Secher argues that more than 14 percent of the population and 18 percent of the housing stock in the Vendée was destroyed in this catastrophic conflict.'

'Secher's review of the social and political structure of the region presents a dramatically different image of the people on the Vendée than the stereotype common among historians favorable to the French Revolution. He demonstrates that they were not archaic and superstitious or even necessarily adverse to the forward-looking forces of the Revolution. Rather, the region turned agains the Revolution because of a series of misguided policy choices that failed to satisfy the desire for reform and offended the religious sensibilities of the Vendéans.'

'Using an array of primary sources, many from provincial archives, including personal accounts and statistical data, Secher convincingly argues for a demythologized view of the French Revolution. Contrary to most twentieth-century academic accounts of the Revolution, which have either ignored, apologized for, or explained away the Vendée, Secher demonstrates that the vicious nature of this civil war is a key element that forces us to reconsider the revolutionary regime. His work, available for the first time in English, provides a significant case study for readers interested in the relationships between religion, region, and political violence.'

42flanker11 Feb 2023 10:16 a.m. PST

Would be more correctly termed 'civil war'

The fewer pseudo-scientific, pseudo-classical terms, the fewer -isms, -ists, and phobias, we resort to in our discourse and remind ourselves how to speak plainly, the better.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2023 3:09 p.m. PST

Thanks Kevin!


14Bore11 Feb 2023 5:40 p.m. PST

Democide it the term for governments ( in this case their forces which is mostly how this occurs) killing their own civilians.

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