GeorgBuchner | 25 Jan 2023 6:07 p.m. PST |
Hi – just one last query on the Lutzow Freikorps – the wikipedia article mentions they had artillery also – can anyone tell me what exactly they had? horse artillery, foot artillery? what uniforms did the artilleristen wear? not sure where i could find this info online myself, |
Dave Jackson  | 25 Jan 2023 8:05 p.m. PST |
The Napoleon Series has an OOB for Count Wallmoden's corps on 1813 where the Advance Guard has a half battery of foot artillery and a half battery of horse artillery both from Lutzow's Freikorps. Google "The napoleon series Wallmoden's corps". That's it for now! |
GeorgBuchner | 25 Jan 2023 8:34 p.m. PST |
oh thats great, i didnt think to look there, as i wasnt even thinking in terms of a specific oob, but i will check there and |
Dave Jackson  | 25 Jan 2023 9:12 p.m. PST |
Wrt uniforms, I'd say same as everyone else in the Korps. |
Dave Jackson  | 25 Jan 2023 9:15 p.m. PST |
Wrt gun calibre ..foot…probably 9lb…British maybe…HA…probably 6lb…again British….but…maybe captured French |
GeorgBuchner | 25 Jan 2023 10:48 p.m. PST |
interesting – so the british were providing continental coalition forces with cannon? |
GeorgBuchner | 25 Jan 2023 10:58 p.m. PST |
okay so the nafziger listing for the forces in august 1813 gives this: Other Prussian Forces Detachment to Corps Wallmoden Lützow Freicorps 1st Uhlan/Lutzow Cavalry Regiment (2/7/89) 2nd Jäger/Lutzow Cavalry Regiment (1/11/123) 3rd Uhlan/Lutzow Cavalry Regiment (1/11/125) 4th Hussar/Lützow Cavalry Regiment (0/8/94) 5th Hussar/Lützow Cavalry Regiment (2/15/135) 1/Lützow Infantry Regiment (7/60/741) Freiwilliger Jäger Company (2/10/109) 2/Lützow Infantry Regiment (1/70/857) Freiwilliger Jäger Company (0/10/109) 3/Lützow Infantry Regiment (3/60/741) Freiwilliger Jäger Company (2/10/109) Lützow Horse Battery "Fritze" (1/19/114) (7-3pdr,1-7pdr Howitzer) Other Units Freiwilliger Jäger Battallion von Reiche (16/55/727) Reserve Company (2/15/160) Freiwilliger Jäger Company (4/20/145) 1/,2/Squadrons/Streifcorps von Schill (5/30/219)
what exactly do the numbers in brackets mean? i could see where the key for this on the webiste is |
BillyNM | 25 Jan 2023 11:59 p.m. PST |
Love to see some 3-pdrs fielded they never get any love. I never found a 'key' for Nafziger but I suspect if there are three numbers that this is probably officers / NCOs / other ranks. Sometimes there's just a single number which will often be the number of sub-units companies, squadrons, etc. If anyone has a defnitive 'key' please do share it. |
johannes55 | 26 Jan 2023 12:10 a.m. PST |
Afaik the numbers are indeed officers/ nco/ men-other ranks |
Georg Buechner | 26 Jan 2023 2:02 a.m. PST |
Thanks for that breakdown of what the numbers refer to, I suspected the large one was the number of grunts On the question of numbers – how big was a detachment? There were some Jaeger detachments in the Lützow Freikorps also |
Trockledockle | 26 Jan 2023 4:07 a.m. PST |
From Summerfield Prussian Infantry 1808-1840 Volume 2, pages 102-103 Lutzow Foot Artillery Headwear Fusilier shako with black cords and horsehair plume. Usually worn with a cover Uniform Black litewka with black piped red collar, cuffs and shoulder straps. Black trousers with narrow red stripes down the outside seam. Black belts. Lutzow Horse Artillery Prussian shako with white cords. Black horsehair plume for parade dress Black litewka with red cuffs and collar. Brass epaulettes. Black overall trousers. Black belts Saddlecloth was black with red trim
Overall- just like the rest of the unit. Equipment Foot March to Sept 1813 3 iron 2 1/4 pounders Sept 1813 1 iron 2 1/4 pounder, 3 British 6 pounders February 1814 4 brass 3 pounders, 3 British 6 pounders, 1 7 pounder howitzer Disbanded March 1815 Horse Formed Aug 1813- 3 brass 3 pounders, 1 7 pounder howitzer Sept 1813- as above but 4 brass 3 pounders February 1814 6 British Light 6 pounders March 1815 became 14 Horse Battery There were quite a few Prussian batteries with British guns. There is a list in Summerfield's book on Napoleonic Artillery |
Dave Jackson  | 26 Jan 2023 6:24 a.m. PST |
Well done Trockledockle, I did not have Summerfield. |
Dye4minis  | 26 Jan 2023 11:45 a.m. PST |
Indeed, the books by Summerfield are an often overlooked resource. Yes, George's abbreviations are as johannes55 stated: Officers/NCOs/Other ranks. While Dr. Summerfield's books seem pricy, you get more than you expected in most cases. That knowledge/reference will pan out as one gets more deeply involved into the hobby and the history. Consider it an investment that will be there when you need such info from an authoritative source. |
Trockledockle | 27 Jan 2023 4:25 p.m. PST |
I think the books are good but the print on demand copy I got is poor- no colour except for the cover and a number of pages are like poor photocopies. I understand that earlier prints were much better. |
14Bore | 28 Jan 2023 7:13 a.m. PST |
My Prussian army is all based on PH's booklet of the Prussian Army 1813, works for me. But in it there is 1 3pdr battery which makes me wonder if this battery is the same as for Lutzow which I do have just not in Lutzow's FreiKorps |