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GeorgBuchner25 Jan 2023 6:07 p.m. PST

Hi – just one last query on the Lutzow Freikorps – the wikipedia article mentions they had artillery also – can anyone tell me what exactly they had? horse artillery, foot artillery? what uniforms did the artilleristen wear?

not sure where i could find this info online myself,

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP25 Jan 2023 8:05 p.m. PST

The Napoleon Series has an OOB for Count Wallmoden's corps on 1813 where the Advance Guard has a
half battery of foot artillery and a half battery of horse artillery both from Lutzow's Freikorps. Google "The napoleon series Wallmoden's corps".

That's it for now!

GeorgBuchner25 Jan 2023 8:34 p.m. PST

oh thats great, i didnt think to look there, as i wasnt even thinking in terms of a specific oob, but i will check there and

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP25 Jan 2023 9:12 p.m. PST

Wrt uniforms, I'd say same as everyone else in the Korps.

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP25 Jan 2023 9:15 p.m. PST

Wrt gun calibre ..foot…probably 9lb…British maybe…HA…probably 6lb…again British….but…maybe captured French

GeorgBuchner25 Jan 2023 10:48 p.m. PST

interesting – so the british were providing continental coalition forces with cannon?

GeorgBuchner25 Jan 2023 10:58 p.m. PST

okay so the nafziger listing for the forces in august 1813 gives this:

Other Prussian Forces
Detachment to Corps Wallmoden
Lützow Freicorps
1st Uhlan/Lutzow Cavalry Regiment (2/7/89)
2nd Jäger/Lutzow Cavalry Regiment (1/11/123)
3rd Uhlan/Lutzow Cavalry Regiment (1/11/125)
4th Hussar/Lützow Cavalry Regiment (0/8/94)
5th Hussar/Lützow Cavalry Regiment (2/15/135)
1/Lützow Infantry Regiment (7/60/741)
Freiwilliger Jäger Company (2/10/109)
2/Lützow Infantry Regiment (1/70/857)
Freiwilliger Jäger Company (0/10/109)
3/Lützow Infantry Regiment (3/60/741)
Freiwilliger Jäger Company (2/10/109)
Lützow Horse Battery "Fritze" (1/19/114)
(7-3pdr,1-7pdr Howitzer)
Other Units
Freiwilliger Jäger Battallion von Reiche
Reserve Company (2/15/160)
Freiwilliger Jäger Company (4/20/145)
1/,2/Squadrons/Streifcorps von Schill (5/30/219)

what exactly do the numbers in brackets mean? i could see where the key for this on the webiste is

BillyNM25 Jan 2023 11:59 p.m. PST

Love to see some 3-pdrs fielded they never get any love.

I never found a 'key' for Nafziger but I suspect if there are three numbers that this is probably officers / NCOs / other ranks. Sometimes there's just a single number which will often be the number of sub-units companies, squadrons, etc.

If anyone has a defnitive 'key' please do share it.

johannes5526 Jan 2023 12:10 a.m. PST

Afaik the numbers are indeed officers/ nco/ men-other ranks

Georg Buechner26 Jan 2023 2:02 a.m. PST

Thanks for that breakdown of what the numbers refer to, I suspected the large one was the number of grunts

On the question of numbers – how big was a detachment? There were some Jaeger detachments in the Lützow Freikorps also

Trockledockle26 Jan 2023 4:07 a.m. PST

From Summerfield Prussian Infantry 1808-1840 Volume 2, pages 102-103

Lutzow Foot Artillery
Headwear Fusilier shako with black cords and horsehair plume. Usually worn with a cover
Uniform Black litewka with black piped red collar, cuffs and shoulder straps. Black trousers with narrow red stripes down the outside seam. Black belts.

Lutzow Horse Artillery
Prussian shako with white cords. Black horsehair plume for parade dress
Black litewka with red cuffs and collar. Brass epaulettes. Black overall trousers.
Black belts
Saddlecloth was black with red trim

Overall- just like the rest of the unit.

March to Sept 1813 3 iron 2 1/4 pounders
Sept 1813 1 iron 2 1/4 pounder, 3 British 6 pounders
February 1814 4 brass 3 pounders, 3 British 6 pounders, 1 7 pounder howitzer
Disbanded March 1815

Formed Aug 1813- 3 brass 3 pounders, 1 7 pounder howitzer
Sept 1813- as above but 4 brass 3 pounders
February 1814 6 British Light 6 pounders
March 1815 became 14 Horse Battery

There were quite a few Prussian batteries with British guns. There is a list in Summerfield's book on Napoleonic Artillery

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 6:24 a.m. PST

Well done Trockledockle, I did not have Summerfield.

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2023 11:45 a.m. PST

Indeed, the books by Summerfield are an often overlooked resource. Yes, George's abbreviations are as johannes55 stated: Officers/NCOs/Other ranks.

While Dr. Summerfield's books seem pricy, you get more than you expected in most cases. That knowledge/reference will pan out as one gets more deeply involved into the hobby and the history. Consider it an investment that will be there when you need such info from an authoritative source.

Trockledockle27 Jan 2023 4:25 p.m. PST

I think the books are good but the print on demand copy I got is poor- no colour except for the cover and a number of pages are like poor photocopies. I understand that earlier prints were much better.

14Bore28 Jan 2023 7:13 a.m. PST

My Prussian army is all based on PH's booklet of the Prussian Army 1813, works for me. But in it there is 1 3pdr battery which makes me wonder if this battery is the same as for Lutzow which I do have just not in Lutzow's FreiKorps

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