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ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa12 Jan 2023 8:49 a.m. PST
Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2023 11:59 a.m. PST

Having a hard time finding someone with "the right stuff" in the Russia Military … Don't think they will …

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa12 Jan 2023 12:10 p.m. PST

Commentators seem to be saying this is more about Putin demonstrating his authority than any specific military necessity. I suppose the Ukrainian high-command won't be too bothered if Putin continues swapping his commanders around on a whim.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2023 12:13 p.m. PST

Everyone Putin picks don't change anything at the front it seems. They don't have the assets or probably the capabilities. If Putin has to show he is still in charge. That may speak loudly …

smithsco12 Jan 2023 10:31 p.m. PST

I read this a little differently. I think Putin is pulling off the gloves and there will be a major offensive in the next couple months. The previous commander was out back in charge of air forces in Ukraine which is what he was originally doing. Not a lack of the right stuff. Gerasimov is the brain of their military and supposedly the mastermind behind the Crimea seizure

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2023 7:50 a.m. PST

I think maybe we originally discussed here the heavy losses of high level officers who had to spend a lot of time at the front dealing with poorly led field operations? I could be wrong here, but it has looked like two things going on…poor tactical doctrine regarding combined arms and poor mid-level leadership in the field.
Obviously not the only factors…

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa13 Jan 2023 9:40 a.m. PST

I read this a little differently.

Both may be true according to this piece…
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Andy ONeill13 Jan 2023 9:52 a.m. PST

Which floor is that revolving door out of?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2023 11:51 a.m. PST

Sad commentary from people who should know their history better.

Just a heads up … the ACW was 1861-1865 … today's date is 2023. Just say'n …

BTW comparing Lincoln in any light with Putin … well … "that dog just don't hunt!" …

Putin wishes he had commanders as skilled in modern warfare as Grant was in the ACW.

Druzhina13 Jan 2023 1:12 p.m. PST
Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2023 6:10 p.m. PST

Some good points in that article …

Blutarski13 Jan 2023 8:59 p.m. PST

Go here
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No one was demoted or insulted. Gerasimov is Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces (equivalent to the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff). Surovikin already reported to him. Given that this expected Russian winter offensive is highly likely to involve the Russian Army, the Russian Navy and the Russian Air Force, etc, one might reasonably imagine that it makes sense to appoint someone with the necessary overall rank and command clout at the top to run the show.


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williamb14 Jan 2023 1:03 a.m. PST

@Carnot
It wasn't just "Lincoln exercising his power" replacing the overall commander of Union forces. While some of them were good at organizing logistics and command organization, prior to Grant being appointed overall commander they were outclassed by the Confederate commanders, overly cautious, etc.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa14 Jan 2023 6:15 a.m. PST

I think its fair to say that there is a tendency for commentators and the media to view these changes entirely through the lens of Kremlinology. It may be a sensible pragmatic move. Though previously there have been such moves, on his installation Surovikin was allowed to pull back from the Kherson region – then it appears that a lot of the better troops that became available as a result have been redeployed into the Donbas and the hell-scape that is Bahkmut.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2023 11:54 a.m. PST

williamb … +1 That is the way I understand it. After studying, be taught Military History in the US Army, watching the History Channel and wargaming the ACW, etc.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2023 5:48 p.m. PST

Based on the Russians performance in combat ops, I don't they follow any process for anything.

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