"Iranian Advisors in Crimea Killed" Topic

Iranian advisors teaching the Russians to use their drones have been targeted and killed by Ukrainian forces:

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They've warned others that they will be targeted too, if they continue to aid the Russians.

It is good to see the Ukrainians successfully engaging the Iranians.

It is a pity other countries in the West don't do the same when they attack and kill their people.

That's unusual in the modern world and could be seen as an escalation.

I suppose if the advisors are on Ukrainian soil, they are fair game.

The only escalation is that being done by the Iranians in supplying offensive weapons to attack civilians and combatants in Ukraine, in an illegal war and genocide.

The Iranians will be very lucky if the Ukrainians don't attack Iran directly, or through proxies for their trouble. They definitely have good reasons to do so.

Even on Russian soil they are fair game.

The Iranians will support anyone who is the enemy of the West. They have their influence, agents and even troops in a lot of places. E.g. their GEN Suleimani supplying weapons to Shia militias in Iraq. Responsible of killing many US and Coalition's troops. He was Droned in Iraq a few years back. Payback is a Mutha' …

Maybe next time their IRGCN plywood gun boats play chicken with our USN. Some .50 cals may act as a wakeup call. Of course, just like in the PRC/CCP, Iran has its people rioting in the streets against their regimes' leadership, etc., … So maybe we for the most part will just let both dictatorial states fall of their own rot ?

The Iranians will support anyone who is the enemy of the West.

That's why turn about is fair play -- we should be supporting the revolt in Iran.

That's unusual in the modern world and could be seen as an escalation.

Last I heard the Iranian regime was denying their presence.

Assuming the reports are correct Iran was game playing and got its fingers very slightly burnt. My guess, if the Iranians existed the denial is because they weren't civilian drone technicians and as much as Iran may like to play the disrupter they aren't dumb. Probably doing something to appear a friend to Russia but not so much as they can't plausibly deny involvement down the road. Though I'd imagine at the moment the regimes bandwidth is taken up with internal matters rather than external.

The Iranians finally admitted to supplying "a small number" of drones to the Russians, and presumably the buyers will need training to use them, so…..

The Iranians excel at lying, AND others in the West seem to be learning from them and Baghdad Bob. The latter would be proud of the level of lying/gaslighting that IS being conducted currently by so many rabid propagandists.

It is unknown if Iran has also sold ballistic missiles to Russia too, but I suspect time will tell, and since Russia is reportedly running out of ordnance I suspect we'll know sooner rather than later about that.

Iran's leadership lies … period. Just like Putin & Xi.

I suppose if the advisors are on Ukrainian soil, they are fair game.

Yes they are … But again Iran will most likely deny it.

Alas, so does ours, daily, so…….

If Russia can target the capital of Ukraine then Ukraine targeting the capital of Russia is not an escalation, it is a measured response.

You should always be "allowed" even expected to do what your enemy does to you.

The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, attacking American territory. The Americans bombed Tokyo in return. Not an escalation.

We should stop holding the Ukrainians back and let them fight the wary they need to fight.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Maybe next time their IRGCN plywood gun boats play chicken with our USN. Some .50 cals may act as a wakeup call.

That ship has passed. (get it, wink, wink)

Didn't Iran capture some of those USN warfighters and we dealt to get them back, or am I remembering wrong? IF so I doubt the USN is scary outside of missiles and planes.

Good riddance.

Swell guys. They will be missed.

Didn't Iran capture some of those USN warfighters and we dealt to get them back, or am I remembering wrong? IF so I doubt the USN is scary outside of missiles and planes.

Oh yes, that was aways back – 2016. Sad performance of the USN's boat crews, etc.. link

"Iranian advisors teaching the Russians to use their drones have been targeted and killed by Ukrainian forces:"

There is always the possibility it was actually a "friendly fire" incident… ;-)

Oh yes, that was aways back – 2016. Sad performance of the USN's boat crews, etc.

I blame the leadership and their ROE more than the actual squids themselves.

1. They were ordered to surrender by their commander who felt he didn't want to derail Obama's nuke deal:

"I didn't want to start a war that would get people killed," the crew's captain told investigators in explaining why he had quickly surrendered.

"I made the gamble that they're not going to (take us to) Tehran and parade us like prisoners of war, because they want this nuke deal to go through."

Breitbart citing AFP: link

2. Their mission was poorly designed and the small boats should not have been used in that role with relatively inexperienced crew.

3. The USN immediate response and US diplomatic response were also muted because of Obama's desire for a nuke deal.

Agreed SB … However, those Sailors on those Patrol Boats had engine problems as well as commo problems. Was there a problem with preventive maintain checks/routine maint., etc. ?

And yes, the ROE at the time was not appropriate IMO. They had weapons, IIRC M16s, M203s and M60 MGs. They should have put on their body armor, helmets, etc. Look like strong capable warriors. The Commander should have told the IRGCN they would not board their boats. The IRGCN would have to think twice. They might die if they attempt to board. Even if they think they will go to "Paradise" if they die fighting the "Infidel". Regardless the US Military has a Code of Conduct. Those sailors should have known that and trained to repel borders.

Could you imagine if those boats had SEALs on board ? Most if not all of the IRGCN would have been on their way to "Paradise". Maybe both of their boats would have been sunk too?

Would Iran risk a shooting war with the USA ? They also knew the leadership at the top was weak, etc. As soon as the US leadership apologized for the USA. As we know the IRGC and most in the region only respect strength and still do.

Now saying all that I was not there. But my experience and training tells me and other Vets I talked to what those sailors should have done.

Terrible shame. How unfortunate for them. Who would've thought.

Well, we all never thought some of the USN's sailors and leadership would perform so poorly. But it happens … with leadership starting at the very top.

I think one of the Ukrainian officials I saw quoted summed it up best: "You shouldn't be where you shouldn't be."

Bingo ! happens … they can now talk to their old boss GEN Suleimani in Paradise. And don't worry there are many more IRGC, etc. to replace those lost.

I admire those folks who have gone to Ukraine to help, but in so doing they put themselves at risk. That's not even considering how the Russian might treat them if captured.

And there are many former Combat Vets from many nations there as well. In combat with the Russians.