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JeffsaysHi26 Nov 2005 6:31 p.m. PST

For anyone wishing not to read posts they find tiresome, it is a simple matter to click on a name, scroll down and hit 'stifle'.
Thus the stifled have the freedom of speech to say anything they like and you have the freedom to neither know nor care they said anything at all.

llebpmacbob428 Nov 2005 4:35 p.m. PST

Thanks for the information Jeff. It'll make visiting the Napoleonic forum much more pleasant. Can you take it off to see if they've reformed?

Bob Campbell

Stavka28 Nov 2005 5:15 p.m. PST

Scholarship is always welcome, but I agree that the tendency for many Napoleonic threads to devolve into arguing the same old academic spat is getting tiresome, and does not exactly leave any of the principals involved covered with glory. In fact, I am concerned it just reinforces the negative stereotype some people have of Napoleonic gamers and enthusiasts in general.

However, the trouble with stifling in this case is that it is kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater- in amongst the diatribes there are often lots of neat bits of information and the gents in question have both contributed much to my knowledge of the period.

I suppose an alternative is that whenever the "duel" rises to the surface again, someone should provide nerf bricoles with which to whack one another , and the one left standing is deemed the victor- allowing the thread to continue on topic.

I'd pay to see that.:)

donlowry29 Nov 2005 4:35 p.m. PST

but are nerf "bricoles" (whatever those are) authentic to the period?

Stavka29 Nov 2005 5:34 p.m. PST

You tell me, Don. I have followed these threads for ages and still do not know exactly what a "bricole" is. I used to think it was one of the things you needed to fuel a BBQ, now I am pretty sure it has something to do with artillery.

I never checked the dictionary as somehow it one of those things that seems more fun if I just leave it to my imagination, and my ignorance of the term has not yet resulted in me having to suffer ridicule in cocktail parties.

donlowry30 Nov 2005 4:18 p.m. PST

I picture bricoles as small bricks. Useful for when you run out of ammunition.

Steven H Smith30 Nov 2005 6:47 p.m. PST

Stavka and Don,

Your life is now complete!

The bricole, in illustrations.

1) An early Prussian one. From an "Artillerie-Kollegium" manuscript made by Braats. Note: Hook at top is not part of bricole. Please, do not ask me what this hook is for:

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2) Early Austrian use. Special illustrations for the 1757 "Reglement fur das Kaiserlich Konigliche gesammte Feld-Artilleriecorps":

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3) The earliest printed French example I know about, 1783:

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4) French example an III:

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5) Prussian regimental gun in use. From an engraving ca. 1801:

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You just had to ask!

Steve

donlowry30 Nov 2005 6:58 p.m. PST

Hmm, it's either a harness and rope for prolonging a gun, or part of a lady's unmentionables.

The hook in the first link looks like a "sky hook," a handy mythological item used by engineers to hold up otherwise unstable constructions.

Steven H Smith30 Nov 2005 7:15 p.m. PST

Don,

You are hopeless! <;^}

Steve

LORDGHEE01 Dec 2005 12:26 a.m. PST

You could have brought this up on it's own thread but noooo. . ..

did I not see this same strap used to haul stone to the pyramids.

No I am not kidding!

really.

Lord Ghee

Stavka01 Dec 2005 10:39 p.m. PST

I like the "ladies unmentionable's" idea. Bungee-jumping from a 12-pder was what I had thought of when I saw the Prussian one.

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