"Do we know who was Richard I standard bearer?" Topic
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| Korvessa | 27 Oct 2022 7:08 p.m. PST |
Actually looking for what to put on his shield design. I have come across two names, but am not sure..
(Maybe one took over after the other died?)
Pierre de Préaux,
John Fitz-Richard |
| BillyNM | 27 Oct 2022 10:45 p.m. PST |
Was the latter an illegitimate son of his? |
Dn Jackson  | 28 Oct 2022 7:16 p.m. PST |
Doesn't 'Fitz' denote an Anglo-Norman living in Ireland as a lord of some kind? |
GildasFacit  | 29 Oct 2022 2:25 a.m. PST |
Fitz simply means son of (it is a corruption of Latin fillius). Used in Anglo-Norman times to distinguish between son & father of the same first name (usually in documents) and only later becoming part of a surname (from sire-name). Within its original meaning it also became a useful way of naming an illegitimate son who was acknowledged by his father. While a number of Anglo-Irish families do have Fitz- surnames it is derived from the above usage and not a specific term used to indicate their non-Irish origins. |
| Swampster | 01 Nov 2022 12:52 a.m. PST |
Shield designs in this period aren't as stable as they would become very soon after. Even Richard's shield changes between his two great seals. The system used in Germany and/or Sicily may not reflect usage in England but FWIW the pictures by Peter of Eboli from this same period show the 'great men' with individual shield designs and their retinues carrying geometric designs in the same colours as their leaders' shields. This comes with the usual caveats that it may be an artistic convention and that the German 'Feudal' system was different to England and France, though Sicily was more similar. |
| Druzhina | 03 Nov 2022 7:04 p.m. PST |
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