"Future Floor Wax - Pledge Revive it replacement in US?" Topic

What are people using these days (in the US) now that both Future and Pledge Revive it are gone? Anyone try the Rejuvenate Shine Refresher yet?

I just ordered a bottle of Holloway Quick Shine. SOme of the modeling groups say it is similar to Future.

From what I have heard, the Rejuvenate is NOT the same thing.

Damon.

Thanks Damon. Will give Holloway a try.

Glad i bought 3 bottles of Future. That should last me forever. Good luck finding something.

thanks

John

Yeah my bottle of future is dwindling. Lesson learned though. I will stock up on the next replacement. Who knew the world of floor shines was so volatile?

Only $44.95 USD a bottle on eBay. Such a deal.

Here is the composition of Future Floor Finish:

Chemical Name Wt.% Cas
Tributoxy ethyl phosphate 1 – 5% 000078-51-3
Diethylene glycol ethyl ether 1 – 5% 000111-90-0
Modified Acrylic Copolymer 10 – 20% 000000-00-0
Water 80 – 90% 007732-18-5

If you look at the SDS of the other products
REJUVENATE_Floor-Refresher ***
PDF link

quickshine (Not even close)
PDF link

the Modified acrylic copolymer CAS Registry Number: 000000-58-0 Is the key missing part.

*** Now the Rejuvenate product does not list 92% of its parts, and uses the word "Polymer" and acrylic smell. So it may have the key parts in there, 20% acrylic copolymer, but it is not stated. It would be worth a try.

Here is a link to "The Complete Future", a classic reference for the use of this stuff.
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Holy Crap!! This just ruined my day. My bottle of Pledge with Future wax is nearing an end..

In regards to Rejuvinate, I asked this question on a modeling forum, & here is a link to the discussion: link

I heard the Holloway stuff is a substitute from an Aircraft modeling forum: link

The information on Holloway is on Pg 8 on the Hyperscale discussion.

Damon.

Not to sound stupid, but what do you use it for?

I'm with Perris0707. What is this stuff used for?

I use it for doing glosscotes. For wargaming, it is a tough glosscote to protect the models. If you use any water transfer decals at all, a glossy coat is also a good thing to have, to ensure proper adhesion of the decals, as well as prevent any distortion ("silvering") of the transparent areas, due to trapped reflected air pockets.

For model building I use it more for the glosscote properties, when using decals. Aviation modelers use it to give clear canopies an extra glossy coat, to fill in micro-scratches & enhance transparency.

Damon.

Future is the goto sealer coat for scale models/miniatures. It provides a semi-gloss hard shell that provides protection, seals paint work, provides a nice surface for washes, (reduces specific gravity so washes flow into cracks) and a good surface for decal adhesion. Also, depending on desired finish, matt/gloss it can either be the finish coat or one can use a matte varnish on top. This has the added benefit of concealing decal film/edges providing a painted on look. Oh and one more, scale modelers dip their clear plastic parts into it as it has a much more realistic sheen akin to real glass.

Future Floor Polish is the universal, Magic Wash for painting miniatures: Add the acrylic colored paint of your needed wash to Future, brush it on, and let it dry (15 minutes). It is designed to protect floors from shoe traffic… It is a tough, clear coat/tint coat wash for miniatures.

The Dip Technique (Minwax Polyshades Urethane Stain) is superb for what it does, but it is a one-color horse. Magic Wash (Future + Acrylic paint as coloring tint) is tunable to whatever color is needed. It accumulates in the folds and recesses of the miniature. It smells good (Minwax has a terrible smell, for years), has water cleanup (not oil based, not solvent based), and it dries in 15 minutes, without toxic fumes (exactly the opposite of Minwax Polyshades, in odor, clean-up, and toxicity).

I am using it as a dark blue wash on some 60mm Vikings I am painting up as Frost Giants for my D&D games. I will brush on The Dip on the figures' equipment and clothing, but I want their skin and faces to have dark blue shadows. Finish the mini with a matte clear coat: when the mini starts to be shiny, it is time for a new matte clear coat, as the old has worn off, down to the Future coating.

Try searching the Internet for, "Magic Wash painting technique," for articles and videos. Cheers!

For painting soft plastic 1/72 scale figures this worked miracles as "The Dip" tinted with Burnt Umber ink, it was great at shading the figure and sealed the soft plastic to keep the paint on. At times I have used it as a primer and sealer. I will try Holloway as the price seems right I hope it works..

I basically have a wash made of it for any major color I paint. It changed the way I paint figures. Especially good if you are not very good…

Thanks for the good information. Let the hoarding begin!

Why did manufacturers cease production of Future, Pledge, and Klear?

Sgt. Slag, I have never had any long-term smell issues with Minwax Polyshades. I always hit it with Dull Coat when dry and before I apply any highlights or metals. Never an issue, and frankly I absolutely hated the smell of the pledge/future stuff.

I mix it with water, 50/50. Use it with any shade of ink. Dries quickly and pulls the ink into the folds. Perfect shading.

I buried the lede:

This is a great resource for the uses of Future Floor Finish:

THE COMPLETE FUTURE
link

The smell is a bit of an acquired taste. I suspect it is the Diethylene glycol ethyl ether.

Well, I learned something new today. Thanks guys!

BTCTerrainman, I Dip'ed a couple of hundred 54mm Army Men figures. I never matte coated them, for many years. The Minwax continued to off-gas/stink, for 5+ years. I had them stored in an open unit, which fed the odors into the rest of the room. I agree, sealing them with a matte clear coat likely would solve my issue. I will put that to very good use in the future. Thank you.

This discussion is a good reminder that nearly all chemicals we use in our hobby are likely to have potentially toxic fumes which they off-gas, at least until they fully cure. Care should be taken with them, to avoid sensitization, or worse. Cheers!

Fascinating. Thanks.

I never had any luck with the stuff. The few times I tried it, it would dry & flake off, so YMMV…

I have one bottle left.

Arrgh! I had a half bottle of Future and a half bottle of Pledge (essentially the same thing), but just threw them away in preparation for moving, thinking I would just buy a new bottle. Assuming I don't want to pay $45.00 USD for a new one, has anyone found a good substitute for creating washes?

I totally missed the news that Johnson killed the Future line. This is the worst crafting news of my year.

I can't believe how high the prices are. If I can collect a gallon of it, I'm probably set for life, but… ouch.

- Ix

Clear artist's Acrylic Medium should do the trick, but I have yet to try it. I have around two inches worth of Pledge, left in my last bottle. Cheers!

Any thoughts on this: link

I expect a medium labeled "Flow Aid" will not dry to a glossy clearcoat. It is designed to dilute acrylics and reduce surface tension, and adding gloss could be a disadvantage to users seeking a flow aid product. That said, this might be a straight substitute, but any unadvertised properties besides aiding flow are accidental, and you'd have to find out about them experimentally. Good luck, let us know how it goes.

This is the biggest PITA about losing Future: it's very versatile, and it's uses in crafting/modeling are derived from decades of accumulated community experience and experimentation. It is possible to replace each of the roles Future has served with other substances, but it's probably not possible to find a single medium that does them all (until/unless someone buys the formula from S.C. Johnson and sells it as Magic Modeling Medium or something). Finding all of those replacements and changing techniques to accommodate them is a long road with a lot of wasted money and failed experiments along the way. In most cases it's easier to just revert to methods used by others who never joined the Church of the Future.

- Ix

I think Sgt Slag is on the right track. Future is most similar to an acrylic medium, just formulated for use as a household product.

I have a couple mediums by Liquitex, I just never experimented with them much, because the Internet was full of working recipes using really cheap Future. Now that Future costs about the same as Liquitex mediums, it's probably time to develop new recipes and techniques. Liquitex isn't going away, but soon there won't be any Future left at all.

- Ix

Tried the Liquitex flow aid on some horses. Used about twice as much flow aid as called for in the directions, water and some black and a little brown paint. Works about as well as Army Painter dark wash. I use to use a 60/40 water to Future mix for horses which left a slight sheen. The Liquitex does not.