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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP17 Feb 2023 3:11 p.m. PST

Well … Estonia is in NATO … So Article 5 would be in effect.

Tango0117 Feb 2023 9:52 p.m. PST

European Demand For U.S. Weaponry Is Soaring, But Not For The Big Ticket Items

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GLASS CANNONS FROM GROZNY TO MARIUPOL: WHAT SHOULD THE US MILITARY LEARN FROM RUSSIA'S USE OF ARTILLERY IN PROTRACTED URBAN SIEGES?


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Tango0118 Feb 2023 10:08 p.m. PST

EU Urgently Exploring Ways For Its Member Countries To Team Up To Buy Munitions To Help Ukraine


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Netherlands Expel Russian Diplomats

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Democrats And Republicans Want President Biden To Send F-16s To Ukraine


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British MoD announces new military aid for Ukraine including UAVs & air defense systems

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2023 6:27 p.m. PST

IMO the US has the money to do what they need to do. To support the Ukraine in pushing the Russians out if their country. The US just has to readjust their priorities. 'nuff said …

Tango0119 Feb 2023 9:30 p.m. PST

EU's Foreign Affairs Chief Warns The Ukraine War Will Be Over Unless The EU Finds A To Speed Up Military Support To Ukraine

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U.S. Secretary Of State Blinken Says China Is Considering Providing "Lethal Support" To Aid The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

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Armand

Tango0120 Feb 2023 10:11 p.m. PST

Poland's Prime Minister Wants More U.S. Troops In His Country


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US Secretary of State Blinken In Ankara Putting The Squeeze On Turkey To Let Sweden And Finland Join NATO


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Estonian Prime Minister Says Putin Must Answer For War Crimes. Russian History Books Must Be Rewritten


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2023 9:55 a.m. PST

These brutal war crimes I fear will go unpunished …

Tango0121 Feb 2023 10:04 p.m. PST

The unexpected ‘winners' of the war in Ukraine: The people, companies and countries that have benefited from the turmoil


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Revenge For Nord Stream? Russia Could Attack Infra In North Sea After Top Journo Blames US For Attacks — Dutch Intelligence

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Ukraine To Get Bradley M7 Vehicles To Act As Artillery Quarterbacks

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Armand

Tango0122 Feb 2023 10:01 p.m. PST

Serbia's President Says 'Everyone Is Preparing For War'


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Black Hawks Spotted In Ukraine! How Did Kyiv Get US Army's ‘Super Lethal' UH-60 ‘Stealth Choppers'?

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US Is Giving Ukraine a Long-Range GPS-Guided Bomb That Can Hit Targets Miles Away


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Armand

SBminisguy23 Feb 2023 8:48 a.m. PST

The US just has to readjust their priorities. 'nuff said …

We already have! Secure Ukraine's border but not its own…pay Ukrainian pensions while planning to delay its own…send aid to Ukrainian towns but not its own…

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2023 11:22 a.m. PST

Sad but true …

Tango0123 Feb 2023 10:21 p.m. PST

Poland Prepares Its Borders For War


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UN Votes To Condemn Russia Over Ukraine War

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HERE ARE THE 12 NEW STEALTH AIRCRAFT CURRENTLY HEADING TOWARD SERVICE

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Armand

Tango0124 Feb 2023 10:00 p.m. PST

Dutch Intelligence Says Russia Is ‘Mapping' Its Critical Energy Infrastructure


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Germany, France and Britain Are Considering A Security Pact With Ukraine As A Way To Encourage Kyiv To Start Peace Talks With Russia

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Here's How Much Aid The U.S. Has Sent To Ukraine In Six Charts

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G7 Imposes More Sanctions On Russia

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Armand

Druzhina25 Feb 2023 7:55 p.m. PST

The six charts has been linked to before, but it has been updated:
"By Share of GDP, East European Countries Are Giving the Most to Ukraine"
The USA has increased from 6th (IIRC) to 5th, slightly more than Bulgaria.


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Tango0126 Feb 2023 10:34 p.m. PST

Majority Of Germans See Their Country's Arms Deliveries To Ukraine As Participation In The War Against Russia

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Armand

Tango0127 Feb 2023 10:22 p.m. PST

Belarus Air Base Attacked. Russian A-50 Mainstay Airborne Early Warning And Control Aircraft Attacked

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Ukraine Says Fighting in Eastern Mining Town Becoming More Difficult


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ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa28 Feb 2023 11:23 a.m. PST
Tango0128 Feb 2023 9:59 p.m. PST

Rheinmetall from Germany to supply Ukraine with SurveilSPIRE automated reconnaissance systems


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Italy to provide Ukraine with SPADA and Skyguard air defense missile systems


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Sweden to supply Ukraine with 10 Stridsvagn 122 tanks – MIM-23 Hawk IRIS-T air defense systems


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Canada approves delivery to Ukraine of 4 additional Leopard 2A4 MBTs Main Battle Tanks


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France will be ready to provide Ukraine with 25 AMX-10P tracked armored IFVs


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Armand

SBminisguy01 Mar 2023 9:15 a.m. PST

What a logistics nightmare!

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2023 4:44 p.m. PST

Let's hope all the Log guys have done their jobs to make this composite/ad hoc AFV force work. Fortunately, the 2d rate Russian military is not as lethal of a force as they were thought they were. Which we saw since the early days of the war.

Tango0102 Mar 2023 8:38 p.m. PST

Who Is Behind The Most In Promises To Ukraine?


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Armand

SBminisguy04 Mar 2023 9:28 a.m. PST

There's so much $$$$ at stake that even our old friend Vindman is getting in on the action! With tens of billions of dollars flowing out like water from a broken dam, who in the Establishment doesn't want to skim some for themselves, eh??

Report: Alexander Vindman Pitched $12 USDM Scheme to Profit Off Ukraine War Funds

Retired Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman on Friday appeared to confirm a report that said he is pitching a defense contract to the Ukrainian government to the tune of $12 USD million — which would likely come from U.S. taxpayers — to operate and repair military equipment being used in the war.

"Thanks for the [advertisement]. I'm trying to get logistics in place to help Ukraine win the war and secure America," tweeted Vindman.


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Tango0104 Mar 2023 10:09 p.m. PST

Rheinmetall from Germany negotiates with Ukraine construction of tank factory to build KF51 Panther


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British army keeps training Ukrainian soldiers on Challenger 2 tanks

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Rheinmetall from Germany to supply Ukraine with SurveilSPIRE automated reconnaissance systems

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A Lack of Machine Tools Is Holding Back Ammo Production, Army Says

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Armand

Tango0105 Mar 2023 9:42 p.m. PST

German Chancellor Scholz Says China Has Declared It Won't Supply Russia With Weapons For Its War Against Ukraine

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2023 9:57 a.m. PST

That Panther looks deadly … but again, the US, NATO, etc. better get their collective Bleeped text in gear. And get the equipment to the Ukraine yesterday …

As far as the PRC/CCP they may need all their equipment if they plan on invading Taiwan. But again, the Chinese lie just like the Russians. You can't trust them … at all …

Tango0106 Mar 2023 10:25 p.m. PST

Gallup Poll: Americans view China As The Top Foe Ahead Of Russia

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Armand

Tango0109 Mar 2023 10:09 p.m. PST

Ukraine Wants Cluster Bombs


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Ukraine war: Latvia sends cars seized from drunk drivers to help Kyiv

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After Poland, Romania also wants to buy American Abrams tanks

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Caught between the West and Russia, could Georgia be the next Ukraine?

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Armand

Tango0112 Mar 2023 9:48 p.m. PST

European Arms Imports Climb, U.S. Dominance in Exports Grows – Think Tank

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Armand

Tango0113 Mar 2023 10:02 p.m. PST

Poland builds anti-tank barriers on its borders. Should Lithuania follow suit?


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Ukraine Situation Report: Leopard 1 Tanks Will Arrive This Spring


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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2023 7:54 a.m. PST

The sooner the better those MBTs, etc. get there the better. They should have been there already, IMO.

The USA's top threats were and are the Russians & Chinese. The US [& NATO] have a real good chance here to cut off Putin's/Russian's wings, etc. And if properly armed the Ukraine can do it IMO … The Russian military is not very good … the Ukraine outclasses them. What more does the US/NATO need to know ?

The US has the funds to support much of this. Deleted by Moderator

Tango0115 Mar 2023 10:22 p.m. PST

Analysis: What are combat capabilities of French AMX-10RC for Ukraine against Russian tanks


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Poland plans to acquire Pirat new local-made anti-tank guided missiles

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Discover new German-made IABG GSD LuWa light tracked armored vehicle


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PT-91 Twardy tanks donated by Poland are now in service with Ukrainian army

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Luxembourg offers 14 more Venari armored ambulances to Ukraine


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West Warming to Ukraine Crossing Putin's Red Line: Ukraine


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Armand

Tango0116 Mar 2023 10:19 p.m. PST

White House Responds To Poland Sending Jets To Ukraine


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Armand

Tango0117 Mar 2023 10:41 p.m. PST

Turkey To Approve Finland's NATO Bid


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Slovakia To Donate 13 MiG-29 Warplanes To Ukraine

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Artillery: Israel Delivers

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2023 10:37 a.m. PST

Good to see many are sending support to Ukraine. But where all the US AFVs ? I think the US is dragging its feet. For fear of the Ukraine going into Russia ? Which is ridiculous.

And when I say Russia. I mean don't the Donbas and Crimea. Those belong to the Ukraine. At this point Russia holds only a little more territory than when it invaded over a year ago. IMO once the Ukraine gets all the US, NATO, etc. support they need/want. They will go on a general offensive to push the Russian invaders out, killing many of them and reclaiming the Donbas and even Crimea.

The UN will probably have to set up along the Ukraine-Russian border. When this is over. Like in Cyprus, the former Yugoslavia, etc.

Also, Putin needs the think about once Finland is in NATO. They share an 800-mile border, IIRC. Yes, more NATO units will be on his border. Probably including not just Finns but other members of NATO. Putin/Russia will never get it. They brought this on themselves.

The Finns and former WP joined NATO to keep the Russians out of their nations. As the former WP did not like Russian occupation after WWII. Nor did Finland like the Russian invasion before WWII. Yes, a lot of people don't like Putin and Russia. That will not change for a very long time.

Lilian18 Mar 2023 4:47 p.m. PST

According to a poll in 10 European countries, United States more perceived as an «ally» than a «necessary partner» after one year of war in Ukraine,
opinion shared by 52% of the people in Denmark in 2023, more than in Great Britain, they were only 35% two years before while the percentage in Germany has increased from 19 to 32%

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2023 8:28 p.m. PST

Gee … should we get out of NATO now ?

Some may see the US as a "necessary partner" but better being in NATO than have to take on Putin on their own, yes ?

Why did so many former WP nations join NATO after the USSR fell ? I'm pretty sure I know that answer …

Many must realize that Putin attacked a nation in Europe, where those nations on the chart are. They must also realize Putin & the Russians are committing war crimes. In those nations "backyard" … Who does not get that ?

And anyone in those nations who sees the US as a competitor or adversary don't know what they are talking about. They might want to look those terms up in a dictionary. There are a number on line.

Escapee Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2023 6:19 a.m. PST

Lucky for Europe we still like them a lot more than they like us.

wardog19 Mar 2023 1:33 p.m. PST

who is the eu 9 ?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2023 2:41 p.m. PST

IIRC the European Union has 27 nations. A few are only in the EU. A few European states are only in NATO, but most are in both. Being a "yank" I'm not sure who the EU 9 are ? Lilian is French and should be able to enlighten us ?

Lilian19 Mar 2023 3:56 p.m. PST

just because the poll was limited to 10 mentionned States : 9 EU members + UK oustide given the Brexit, so EU9 is simply the average for these 9 EU countries concerned by the poll

in the same time Russia has passed from «necessary partner» to «adversary» again Denmark at the first rank
Russia is widely seen as an "adversary" or "rival" by Europeans, while the EU is perceived as stronger than before the start of Moscow's war on Ukraine, according to a report by the European Council on Foreign Relations
On average, two-thirds of those polled across 10 European countries consider Russia as a rival to their own country, while 40 % see it as weaker than before it invaded Ukraine.

The "adversary" stance was strongest in Denmark (82 %), followed by Estonia and Poland (both 79 %), Britain (77 %), Germany (69 %),
Spain (65 %), France (59 %), Portugal (57 %) and Italy (54 %). In Romania, 44 % said Russia is an adversary or rival.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2023 4:18 p.m. PST

Very interesting ! Thanks for the update !

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2023 5:43 p.m. PST

I just thought of something … if the USA is not thought of "highly", etc., by many. Why have 6 Million illegal aliens already have crossed the our Southern border, from 140 different nations on the planet ? In about a 2 year period …

DOH !!!

Tango0120 Mar 2023 10:20 p.m. PST

US sending ammunition, tanker trucks, boats to Ukraine

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EU Ministers Agree To Send Ukraine One Million Artillery Shells Within The Next 12 Months

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2023 8:00 a.m. PST

Even though today there are more US leaders, etc. say we should stop support Ukraine. As it is costing too much, depleting our war stocks, etc. IMO, it is too late to stop now. We have crossed the Rubicon and are more than halfway across. Again, the USA's priorities are for spending taxpayer $ is … well those would not be my priorities …

Tango0121 Mar 2023 10:23 p.m. PST

U.K. Sending Depleted Uranium Shells to Ukraine Despite Russian Warning

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Warsaw's secret war against Moscow's spies: Poland's intelligence services have gone into overdrive to combat Putin's covert assault


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Armand

Lilian22 Mar 2023 11:00 a.m. PST

France Armée de l'Air is training 30 Ukrainian pilots on Mirage 2000,
no official decision has been announced to send French fighters bombers to Ukraine…

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Tango0125 Mar 2023 11:03 p.m. PST

Nordic Countries Combine Air Defenses To Counter Russian Threat

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Metinvest holding offers metal to make buggies for Ukrainian army


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Finland delivered 20 to 30 Sisu XA-185 6x6 armored vehicles to Ukraine


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Ukrainian army to receive M1A1 Abrams tanks by fall 2023


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Ukraine receives M-ATV MRAP 4x4 armored vehicles from US


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Norway has already delivered to Ukraine 8 Leopard 2A4 tanks


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First German Marder tracked armored IFVs are on the way to Ukraine


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Poland donates to Ukraine 30 Oncilla 4x4 armored personnel carrier vehicles

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Tango0126 Mar 2023 9:19 p.m. PST

Overwhelming Negative US Public Opinion Will Make It Impossible For American Leaders To Find Some Accomodation With Russia

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2023 5:05 p.m. PST

Yes, with some support for the war again Russian Imperialism is taking too long. To many in the USA they have to have everything "now".

It would be a huge error to let Putin "win"… Which would be a de facto win for Xi so to speak. He is Putin's best backer. And may only emboldened the PRC/CCP to try to invade Taiwan. There is a new world order in the works. With China replacing the USA as #1 in geopolitics, economically, politically, etc. And there will be "a wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth". With many asking how could this happen ?

Tango0127 Mar 2023 10:32 p.m. PST

Russia Says They Have A "Unique Weapon" Capable Of Destroying The U.S.


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The First Shipment Of Leopard 2 Tanks From Germany Has Been Sent To Ukraine


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EU Threatens More Sanctions Against Russia Over Its Plans To Deploy Tactical Nuclear Warheads In Belarus

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Armand

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