"How Long Can The Western Consensus On The Ukraine War Hold?" Topic

Not just too many protesters but we also have millions of illegal alien males of Military age. That is a good replacement pool for them to be part of the Ukraine's Army …

Just like what Russia did with the prisoners sent to front … if they survive all is forgiven.

Of course most won't make it out alive …

"Not just too many protesters but we also have millions of illegal alien males of Military age."

Ahhh and many are one and the same. 😉

Good ! NATO still is providing support to help Ukraine free their land from Russian aggression.

Looks forward to what they come up with for the MGCS …

NATO defines 'red lines for Ukraine's entry into war with Russia

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seen a map of "Europe" this evening about the debate initiated to deploy or not troops to support Ukraine

clearly hostiles or disagree, 5
Hungary and Germany obviously, Great Britain Italy Spain

favorable or agree with France, 7, obviously many countries facing directly the Putinist threat
Poland Lithuania Estonia Latvia Finland Czechia Netherlands

Lithuania is considering sending its soldiers to Ukraine on a training mission
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Lithuania wants to strengthen its military support for Ukraine. French President Emmanuel Macron has proposed sending European soldiers to Ukraine, though other countries have been wary of provoking a direct confrontation with Russia.

Ingrida Šimonytė told she had parliamentary permission to send troops to Ukraine for training purposes — something her government has floated before — but that Kyiv had not yet asked for this.

Šimonytė acknowledged that Russia would consider it a provocation, but added: "If we just thought about the Russian response, then we could not send anything. Every second week you hear that somebody will be nuked."

What could possibly go wrong ?

What if Iranian or North Korean soldiers trained in Russia?

Anyone would complain?…

The problem is if they went there for their own risk …

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Serbia Abandons Russia

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Pentagon Teams Up With SpaceX to Block Russia From Using Starlink

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Russian Sabotage, Spying and Intimidation Is Spreading in Europe

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Ukraine and the Pity of War

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As Germany mulls military service return, what about Europe?

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Germany to buy US HIMARS launchers for Ukraine

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Interesting wargame … and NATO collapses !?

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LOL! Yes, why not use a wargame as a political weapon against your enemy!

German Defense Minister: Restart conscription, pursue 3 percent GDP on defense

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Several NATO members, of which majors, such as the United States and Germany, have categorically rejected the French idea of sending their troops to Ukraine. Others have adopted a more nuanced position, such as Poland, Finland, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and the Czech Republic

After Lithuania, another (Baltic) member Estonia is also considering "seriously" sending troops to Ukraine into western Ukraine to take over non-direct combat, "rear" roles from Ukrainian forces in order to free them up to fight on the front

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There are a number of NATO forces in Poland, Rumania, the Baltic States etc. I think any NATO country sending troops to Ukraine may not be a good move …

New Skunk Works Stealthy Tanker Concept Unveiled

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America needs to lead in drone warfare

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An Army drone branch? Idea advances in House subcommittee

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Sweden open to hosting nukes

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U.S.-Japan Co-Developing Hypersonic Interceptor

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Inside the Orbán insurgency Europe's future is being written in Hungary

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Russia May Push Buffer Zone Into NATO Nation: Putin Ally

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Revised Lift Fan Aircraft Concept Emerges From Special Ops X-Plane Program

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GM Defense Tactical Utility Vehicle Prototype to Receive Kamikaze Drone

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Spain Pledges €1.00 EUR Billion in Military Support to Ukraine Including Patriot Missiles and Leopard 2A4 Tanks.

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Netherlands Leads Initiative to Supply Patriot System to Ukraine

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Leaked Photos Unveil FrankenSAM Defense System in Ukraine's Defense Arsenal

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Kyiv announces imminent arrival of French instructors on battlefield.

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Germany Delivers Leopard 1A5 Main Battle Tanks to Ukraine

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Sweden orders both new CV9035 MkIIICs combat vehicles and additional CV90s for Ukraine

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Netherlands Sends Modified YPR-765 Infantry Fighting Vehicles to Ukraine

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Lithuania Provides Ukraine with Radars Capable of Tracking Cruise Missiles

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United States Approves Sale of Military Vehicles and Equipment to Ukraine

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Keep that supply line going. It is just like during the Cold War – NATO vs the USSR …

But now with thousand of casualties…. specially civilians (women and children)…

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Yes, the Cold War that we thought was over, went hot with the Russians invading the Ukraine. But the US & NATO are only sending equipment. The Ukrainian military can fight all they need is the equipment …

Sweden's NATO Membership Unlocks the Baltic Sea for Alliance, Ends 200 Years of Neutrality

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Belgium Pledges F-16s to Ukraine ‘as Quickly as Possible.' F-35 Deliveries Could Complicate Things

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France Ukraine

after declarations from Ukraine not confirmed until now declaring that French military personnel will be sent as training cadres

The explosive announcement would be imminent, "hundreds of French instructors" soon to be deployed in Ukraine?

Paris could announce the sending of military personnel to Ukraine to train soldiers for President Volodymyr Zelensky's visit to France next week, despite concerns from some allies and criticism from Russia, three diplomatic sources said .

France also hopes to create and lead a coalition to train Ukrainian soldiers, diplomats said, although some of its European Union (EU) partners fear this could lead to direct conflict with Russia.

"Very advanced preparations"
The training would focus on mine clearance, maintenance of operational equipment and the technical expertise necessary for the use of combat aircraft that will be provided by the West, the diplomats said. Paris would also finance, arm and train a Ukrainian motorized brigade.

Preparations are very advanced and we could expect something next week," one of the sources said. Volodymyr Zelensky is expected in France on June 6 as part of the D-Day commemorations, which mark the 80th anniversary of the Allied landings in Normandy.

He will meet with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris the next day. On Monday, the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Oleksandr Syrsky announced that he had signed the necessary documents for the arrival of French military instructors in Ukraine to train soldiers.

The Ukrainian Defense Ministry, however, later qualified this statement, indicating that Kyiv had "expressed interest in the prospect of receiving foreign instructors in Ukraine." Russian President Vladimir Putin warned on Tuesday that the presence of the regular French army in Ukraine would represent a new step towards global conflict.

"Create a coalition"
France has trained around 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers since the Russian invasion in February 2022, but always within the EU. The mission in question would take place without the consent of NATO or the EU, according to diplomats, with certain partners of France refusing to participate in a mission that they consider too risky.

Questioned again on the subject during his trip to Germany, Emmanuel Macron declared that he didn't use to comment rumors, adding that he would have the opportunity to discuss the subject during his visit next week of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in France.

"Training on Ukrainian soil is one of the projects discussed since the conference on support for Ukraine. According to diplomats, France hopes to create some form of coalition.

No common European position
The Baltic states have already said in the past that they could join such an effort.

"Lithuania is ready to join a coalition led by France, for example, which would train soldiers in Ukraine," declared Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis on LCI on May 20.

European Union defense ministers debated on Tuesday the idea of ​​training Ukrainian forces inside the country, but failed to reach a common position on the sensitive issue, said Josep Borrell, Top EU representative for foreign affairs and security policy.
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IMO the US and NATO should do all they can to support Ukraine in clearing the Russian imperialists aggressors from their homeland.

Training Ukrainian troops in country has some merit. Putin will go crazy[ier]. However, IIRC Art.5 will not apply if NATO troops are attacked outside of their nation/in NATO territory. Putin knows this too …

British Army's new Challenger 3 tank could have 5km engagement range

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Putin's Baltic Provocations Are Raising Western Hackles

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The ‘Military Schengen' Era Is Here

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Why Is Putin Removing Border Markers?

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If he has not done it already, Putin would make a deal with the devil to get what he wants. So, it seems nothing he does surprises me and others, I sure.

As the bodies continue to pile up …

Germany – Bundeswehr (181,500 soldiers 80,000 civilian employees) needs to recruit additional 75,000 soldiers due to threat from Russia to augment additional allied corps, divisions, and brigades necessary to implement defense plans. – Spiegel – previously, Pistorius stated that Germany should be prepared for a war that could occur in 2029.

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Germany's defence ministry believes it will need at least 75,000 additional troops to fulfil its NATO commitments as the alliance adapts to face what it sees as an increasingly hostile Russia, Spiegel magazine reported on Friday.

NATO's plans are projected to lead to an increase in Germany's military personnel target from the current 203,000 soldiers to "towards significantly over 272,000" men and women in the armed forces. A Defense Ministry spokesperson could not confirm the figures.

A senior military source told Reuters the figure might need to be higher as Germany would be a major staging area and logistics hub in a conflict, suggesting a "mid-five-digit figure" on top of the 75,000.

IMO all in NATO should start paying their dues. And get their militaries built up and more combat ready …

Not so much to invade but as a deterrent … Peace Thru Strength. But still be ready … for whatever events may occur.

E.g. Peewee Herman would know better than kick the Rock. Or suffer the Rock's wrath …

If You Think World War III Is Unimaginable, Read This

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Oh it's not unimaginable … but I think the probability is relatively low. But let's hope we don't have to find out …

Exclusive: German-French Company KNDS Unveils Cutting-Edge Leopard 2A-RC 3.0 with Revolutionary Unmanned Turret.

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Germany to provide additional Patriot Air Defense Missiles to Ukraine

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Will Nato Hide Ukrainian F-16 on Polish Air base ?

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French Made EOS Veloce 330 UAV finally available for Air force.

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Netherlands to Supply Additional Patriot Air Defense Radar and Missile Launcher Units to Ukraine.

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First battle proven FPV drone made in NATO presented by German industry

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US Army deploys nearly 100 new M2A3 and M3A3 Bradley IFVs near Russia

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United States Announces Major New Assistance for Ukraine Including M113s

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NATO Says Over 300,000 Troops Now on High Readiness

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B-52 Future Stratofortress: The Upgrades That Will Transform The B-52H Into The B-52J

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The Baltic (R)evolution in Military Affairs

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The Next-Gen Keiler Armored Breaching Vehicle

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French Company Etendard Unveils Spectre Stealth Vehicle for First Time

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The New CENTURIO X20

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The New KF51-U Main Battle Tank fitted with Unmanned Turret

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The New Route Clearance Unmanned System (ROCUS)

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The Next Generation Main Battle Tank (NG-MBT)

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The new EMBT-ADT 140 main battle tank improves the E-MBT with a 140mm gun

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The new Panther Evo Upgrade hybrid tank

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The New Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 main battle tank with modular autoloader

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The New High-Tech Leclerc Evolution Tank fitted with New 120 mm AscalonR Cannon

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Hope to see them soon in Ukraine…

Much better than buying failed North Korean ammo…eh?

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Those tanks look like something out a Hammer's Slammers novel. I like their looks and I'm sure they are probably very lethal.

(smile)

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Northrop planning to build munitions inside Ukraine

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Good move … that will keep the Ukrainian Force in the game, with the firepower they need … More Russians, their Mercs, etc., will die … But I don't think Putin et al. cares.

How NATO Prepares for the Next War

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Who will win a post-heroic war? Neither side is prepared to fight

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South Korea hits back against Putin-Xi defense pact

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Huge Manta Ray Underwater Drone Looks Like A Docked Star Wars Spaceship

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Georgian Epiphany

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Russia, China Threats Boosting NATO Members, Partnerships

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Neither of those nations don't make a lot of friends. And do not play well with others. Been that way for a long, long time.

The New Flying-Wing Reconnaissance X-Plane: XRQ-73

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DARPA's Secret New X-Plane Looks Like It'll Blow Some Minds

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Meet the Air Force's secretive long-range drone that flies for days

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Remember the Wampanoag

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US announces more than $2 USD billion package for Ukraine

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Defending Europe with less America

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