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dapeters13 Jul 2022 12:28 p.m. PST

"We have to support Ukraine, and not start WWIII …"

Could not agree more!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2022 10:26 p.m. PST

EU Says Lithuania Must Allow Rail And Truck Transit Of Russian Goods To Kaliningrad


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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2022 10:32 p.m. PST

Ukrainian soldiers are trained by German army on Gepard anti-aircraft tank

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Armand

Druzhina19 Jul 2022 2:25 a.m. PST

Are armyrecognition articles usually just one relevant sentence and then a lot of filler (& a photo from 2002)?


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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jul 2022 6:52 a.m. PST

Nice pic of Gepard !

As I have said … if Putin wins … NATO loses. NATO has to attrite the Russians to the point that they cannot do offensive operations in the region.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jul 2022 11:03 p.m. PST

Maybe… it began to fall…?


EU To Ease Sanctions On Russian Banks

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2022 10:46 p.m. PST

Militancy on the Eastern Front: The Pridnestrovian Moldovan Republic and the Ukrainian Theater of War

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2022 9:30 p.m. PST

Moldova Blocks Russian Troop Rotation In Transnistria. Ukrainian Army Says It Is Ready to Help Moldova Expel Russian Soldiers Stationed In Transnistria


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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2022 10:20 p.m. PST

Russia is interested in buying Turkish combat drones to use in Ukraine

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2022 10:22 a.m. PST

Even though Turkey is a NATO member … wouldn't surprise me for they sell them to NATO's 1# enemy at this point. $ talks … I wonder if any NATO members are challenging those sales ?

FWIW – E.g. the PRC/CCP is buying up large swathes of land in the USA. Even some near USAF, etc., bases. They own one of our biggest pork producers in the US already.

Obviously, no one at the top are paying attention while this happens. Or may care. It has nothing to do with their Green agenda, etc.

So again, $, as which may happen with the Turks, talks. Who knows who get kickbacks from the PRC/CCP … even some Americans possibly?

💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰 We will know who "won" when our street signs are in Mandarin and English. And we pay for our food, gas, etc. with Chinese currency …

williamb28 Jul 2022 12:47 p.m. PST

The CEO of the Turkish drone company has already stated that they will not sell to Russia
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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2022 2:30 p.m. PST

Yes these Chinese land purchases have now drawn a lot of attention. The states involved did nothing about it. But they can regulate land use unless they are getting something from this as well. And guess where China's largest bank, 70% government run, has had its US HQ and paid millions in rent for the last dozen years? It's just business folks.

Not too worried about Chinese currency. The dollar still rules. None of the green agenda has made it through Congress until it was suddenly back on the table yesterday. Weird. The heat may be affecting some people.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2022 2:55 p.m. PST

So here is the scoop on ND land and the Chinese. link

Just a check on US residential real estate deals with the Chinese shows that they peaked in 2017 and 2018, but fell off after that and bottomed out last year.

As their economy declines, and they are in the middle of an internal power struggle as they head into their big political event in the fall, I think they will leave us alone if we leave them alone for now. But down the road, who knows? Some people here like their money.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2022 5:49 p.m. PST

stated that they will not sell to Russia
williamb +1 Thanks for the Intel ! I had not heard that … Glad that the Turks remember they are part of NATO.

Vlad, No Turk Drones for you !!

None of the green agenda has made it through Congress until it was suddenly back on the table yesterday. Weird. The heat may be affecting some people.
The Go Green minority cultists are very determined … just ask them …

But down the road, who knows?
Yes who knows … ? But I know this the PRC/CCP is in it for the long game.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2022 10:22 p.m. PST

Climbing the escalation ladder in Ukraine: A menu of options for the West

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP05 Aug 2022 10:30 p.m. PST

Spain starts the process to deliver 20 M113 APC armored vehicles to Ukraine


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Latest version of Russian Pantsir air defense system is used in Ukraine as Bayraktar drone killer


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M270 MLRS MARS II from Germany has arrived in Ukraine


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Norway donates IVECO Lynx armored patrol vehicles to Ukraine


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Poland to send first batch of 8 KRAB 155mm howitzers part of contract signed with Ukraine

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Germany to deliver 16 Biber bridge layer engineer tanks to Ukraine

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North Macedonia donates its T-72A main battle tanks to Ukraine in exchange for Western tanks


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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2022 10:40 p.m. PST

Anti-Radiation Missiles Sent To Ukraine, U.S. Confirms

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP10 Aug 2022 10:16 p.m. PST

NATO reveals its goal in Ukraine conflict


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Armand

Druzhina13 Aug 2022 10:11 p.m. PST

video by Swissmartini on Switzerland and the Russians, Aug 13, 2022.


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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Aug 2022 10:27 p.m. PST

UK, Denmark contribute additional money, weapons to Ukraine


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP16 Aug 2022 5:57 a.m. PST

Looks like NATO finally gets it … What their purpose is and what has to be done. They need attrite their #1 enemy right across their borders. To insure he does not do this again anytime soon if ever.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP16 Aug 2022 10:33 p.m. PST

Latvian Parliament Declares Russia Is A State Sponsor of Terror


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EU Nations Move To Bar Russian Citizens From Entering Their Countries


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Ukraine takes delivery of 4 Zuzana 2 155mm self-propelled howitzers sold by Slovakia


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Latvia has delivered Mi-17 and Mi-2 helicopters to the Ukrainian army

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79th Air Assault Brigade of Ukraine receives 11 MLS Shield armored vehicles purchased in Italy

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Russia accuses UK of ‘deliberate provocation'

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP17 Aug 2022 8:12 a.m. PST

Russia accuses UK of ‘deliberate provocation'
What are they going to do ? Operation Seelowe ?

Druzhina17 Aug 2022 4:23 p.m. PST

Its not as if there was a "war", so why not allow an overfly? They asked nicely.


Druzhina
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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Aug 2022 10:15 p.m. PST

Lithuania to launch 5 training courses for Ukrainian military in August


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP18 Aug 2022 6:50 a.m. PST

Its not as if there was a "war", so why not allow an overfly? They asked nicely.
Of course, the Brits are generally a very polite lot. Next to the Canadians … 😎

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Aug 2022 10:40 p.m. PST

Six M109A5Oe self-propelled howitzers sent to Ukraine by Latvia already in action

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Ukraine army uses old Soviet 130mm M-46 guns received from Croatia


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M109 HOWITZER: THE 60-YEAR-OLD US WEAPON NOW SMASHING RUSSIANS IN UKRAINE

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2022 9:13 a.m. PST

AFAIK the USA is still using the new upgraded version of M109A6, IIRC. We had them in the US Army FA Bns when I was on active duty, '79-'90. They were reconsidered very accurate and very effective. I.e., Been killing our enemies for quite some time.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP21 Aug 2022 10:34 p.m. PST

UK's Top ‘Other Ranks' Soldier Must Be Ready To Fight Russia

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP22 Aug 2022 8:49 a.m. PST

During the Cold War, we were all training to fight the Russians/WP. We know how to train to do that. And more …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP22 Aug 2022 10:20 p.m. PST

EU Considering Massive Military Training Program For Ukrainian Forces


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP23 Aug 2022 10:21 a.m. PST

Sounds like a good idea … and this continues to show Putin what a pariah he and his nation is. Whether he cares or not. Russia still has to exist in the world community eventually … but again they must not care …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP23 Aug 2022 10:16 p.m. PST

Turkey's Foreign Minister Says Several NATO Members Want The Ukraine-Russia War To Continue

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP24 Aug 2022 10:33 p.m. PST

Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine Has Created Drama In The Anti-War Community

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Armand

QUATERMASS29 Aug 2022 2:16 a.m. PST

Didn't the U.S.navy use harrier jump jet's and I seem to remember they bought up all the mothballed surplus after Britain stopped using them?
I might be wrong.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2022 10:06 p.m. PST

Where Are The Western Weapons In The Ukraine War?

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Armand

Druzhina01 Sep 2022 5:43 a.m. PST

"Where Are The Western Weapons In The Ukraine War?"
More moonofalabama propaganda. Rehashing a quote by someone who had not done a census of military equipment, but was making a guesstimate about humanitarian aid.

They don't seem to realise that Poland is part of 'the West' now so that Polish tanks are from 'the West'.

"Other videos showed the wreckage of M-113 armored transport vehicles, apparently from the Netherlands." – The linked video doesn't show a wrecked APC.
Yes, the Netherlands is also 'the West'.


Druzhina
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williamb01 Sep 2022 7:55 a.m. PST

@Quartermass
US Marine Corps used Harriers
Marines got 72 from the UK for spare parts after UK retired them.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2022 12:22 p.m. PST

"Other videos showed the wreckage of M-113 armored transport vehicles, apparently from the Netherlands."
I commanded an M113 APC Mech Co., '87-'89 old fart with an Active US Army Mech Bn. A few years later they were replaced by M2 Bradleys. I was gone by then.

The US sent M113s to the ANA, now in Taliban hands.

The US did or will send M113s to the Ukraine forces.

"Other videos showed the wreckage of M-113 armored transport vehicles
That does not surprise me. The M113 while very mechanically reliable and easy to maintain. It is very vulnerable to almost everything. Today IMO M113s should not be very close to front.

Druzhina01 Sep 2022 4:06 p.m. PST

moonofalabama is under the mistaken impression that the west is sending modern weapons, also seems to have the impression that stingers are modern. The west is sending mostly old stuff.

Some Ukrainian units don't have modern western weapons. This just means that the west is not sending enough, not that they are going missing.
TDBs don't even have any artillery (videos from the 110th TDB are probably their drone operators calling artillery strikes from other units). The old Australian 105mm guns have gone to units like the airborne brigade. The west needs to send more artillery.


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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2022 10:31 a.m. PST

Regardless just because a weapon is older, does not mean it can't be effectively used. As we see how the Ukraine has used vs. the Russians. A weapon is only as good as it crew + good leadership. The Russians demonstrate just the opposite it appears. And as we see that gives the Ukraine a real edge.

The west needs to send more artillery.
And everything else, IMO.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2022 2:54 p.m. PST

So they are calling for a rough winter in Europe. How will resolve hold if rationing of fuel starts to be heavy? Russia "really" shuts the Spicket off and hardships become heavy? Middle Eastern countries join with a reduction or huge increase in cost?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2022 5:55 p.m. PST

Well, looks like Going Green is not as easy as some have been telling us …

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2022 6:00 p.m. PST

Are you saying going green may have them turning blue this winter? 🥶

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2022 1:20 p.m. PST

Are you saying going green may have them turning blue this winter? 🥶
Or purple … But those making these types of decisions will be warm, clean, well feed, etc.

US Speeds Plan for New Armored Vehicle and Sends Older Models to Ukraine
FWIW – that M113 in photo in the article is the Aussie extended version, the M113AS4. Which they said they were sending to the Ukraine. AFAIK the US never used that version. The AS4 has 6 road wheels, the M113 has 5 …

Bandolier13 Sep 2022 11:59 p.m. PST

As the weeks go by the Ukrainians are rotating out units and training replenishing them. Equipment gets rotated and serviced.
Meanwhile the Russians drag out older and older stuff (relying on Iran and the Norks to fill the gaps) and scrounge for manpower.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2022 9:00 a.m. PST

Sort evaluation … the Russians are in trouble …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2022 10:39 p.m. PST

Seems it's holding…


Germany to deliver four more PzH2000 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine


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US to possibly send tanks to Ukrainian army but model remains in discussion


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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP29 Sep 2022 10:21 p.m. PST

This seems to be a major break…

Hungary Says It Will Not Support Any New EU Energy Sanctions Against Russia

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2022 10:23 p.m. PST

This is THE question…

Just How Long Should the US Send Aid to Ukraine?

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Armand

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