""Missing" Uniform Information" Topic
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Texaswalker | 27 May 2022 7:18 a.m. PST |
I was thinking about the almost unbelievable amount of uniform information that is available now, relative to when I started in this hobby, and I began to wonder if there is anything missing. Answer probably has to do with AWI or ACW, so lets leave them out and ask, is there a country/period in EUROPEAN history, say 1700 up to WWI, where there is a real gap in knowledge of uniforms? A period where members have struggled to find significant information? |
Texaswalker | 27 May 2022 7:18 a.m. PST |
I was thinking about the almost unbelievable amount of uniform information that is available now, relative to when I started in this hobby, and I began to wonder if there is anything missing. Answer probably has to do with AWI or ACW, so lets leave them out and ask, is there a country/period in EUROPEAN history, say 1700 up to WWI, where there is a real gap in knowledge of uniforms? A period where members have struggled to find significant information? |
ThomasG | 27 May 2022 7:51 a.m. PST |
well, I am still struggling to find information about the uniforms worn during the 2nd war of Villmergen 1712, Swiss war oc religion |
enfant perdus | 27 May 2022 8:02 a.m. PST |
The big one is the War of the Spanish Succession. In the 30+ years since I took an interest much more has come to light, but there are still many significant gaps. |
Texaswalker | 27 May 2022 10:55 a.m. PST |
Yes, of course the Toggenburg War, we all are experts on that one, right? Seriously, I never heard of it and it was a delight to hear about something that obscure, found what is probably a very famous painting of the bombardment of Wil in 1712, and it looked really cool. Okay TMPer's, here's a challenge, Swiss uniforms of the early 18th century. |
ThomasG | 27 May 2022 11:00 a.m. PST |
I am researching in Swiss archives I have already found some contemporary information including uniform descriptions, if there is interest here, I can post some info |
Texaswalker | 27 May 2022 11:20 a.m. PST |
enfant and ThomasG Agree on Spanish Succession, it was the interesting uniforms and lack of information about these that got me started collecting uniform books and info for this period, which I have been doing for many years. Lot is available, starting with the old pamphlets from Condray and Sapherson, but a whole lot more that has come out in last 20 years. However, looking at what I have, the biggest gap may be Switzerland, that is one country on which I have found almost nothing. I for one would love to see info on early Swiss uniforms. |
GildasFacit | 27 May 2022 1:07 p.m. PST |
Spain & Portugal are still a bit sparse even with some excellent stuff that has come out in recent times. A good deal of the accepted info. on uniforms is, at least in part, conjectural and often based on the wars of the late 17th C. Some actual evidence may prove them right or wrong but there are still a lot of gaps. |
Grelber | 27 May 2022 1:26 p.m. PST |
Greece in 1897 and 1940/41 isn't particularly well documented. I had the opportunity to visit the Polemos Museum and the National Historical Museum in Athens, which helped. Other Balkan nations have only mediocre documentation as well. Grelber |
enfant perdus | 27 May 2022 4:08 p.m. PST |
A good deal of the accepted info. on uniforms is, at least in part, conjectural and often based on the wars of the late 17th C. That's a bingo. To which I would add additional layers of frustration namely: 1) The regimental proprietors still had tremendous authority over uniforms, not to mention financial interest in the same. When it's time for a new clothing issue, there is pretty much a free hand in changing the colors of facings and small clothes. In some armies the color of coats is even fair game. 2) Per the above, colored smalls predominate and they tend to have a lot more variety, e.g., red coat with yellow cuffs, blue vest, yellow breeches, grey stockings. And it's pretty rare that you get all of them in a description. |
enfant perdus | 27 May 2022 4:14 p.m. PST |
Grelber, if you're looking for info on the Greeks you might ask the guys at Studio Historia if they've collated new research as part of their 1940-41 range of 3D printed figures. It seems like they've been pretty exhaustive about getting things right. link |
Grelber | 28 May 2022 6:56 p.m. PST |
enfant perdus, those are lovely figures! I've never seen the heavy artillery pieces like the 85 mm and 100 mm guns before. They don't really belong on the table due to their long range, but they are so tempting! The nice thing about Greeks and other minor powers is that they used other people's weapons, like the Italian L3 tankettes and the French 75 mm guns, which you can obtain. Unfortunately, sometimes they used things like the French 85 mm gun. At the time it was in production (just after WWI), France had all the guns they needed, so the production run was limited to the Greeks and a few others, so it hasn't been worth anybody's trouble to make models of those guns. Thanks very much for the pointer! Grelber |
enfant perdus | 29 May 2022 6:57 a.m. PST |
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Don Sebastian | 31 May 2022 4:12 p.m. PST |
ThomasG please post the information you found, that would be fantastic! Most information on swedish uniforms only covers the 1770s onwards. |
ThomasG | 02 Jun 2022 6:05 a.m. PST |
As a start I found the following information about the Zurich artillery, Coat: grey-blue trousers, turnbacks etc: red buttons, etc: yellow Cravatte white for officers, black for sergeants and red for soldiers I have some illustrations on my computer, but I have not yet found a way to put them in this message |
Don Sebastian | 02 Jun 2022 7:43 a.m. PST |
Thank you Thomas! You could upload the illustrations to imgur or other image hosting site and post the link here. |
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