Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 8:48 a.m. PST |
Researchers of the Mediazona group as of May 6, 2022 in the Russian media recorded confirmation of the death of 2099 Russian military. Among them: 437 paratroopers (the 247th Guards Air Assault Regiment and the 331st Guards Airborne Regiment suffered the most), 383 motorized riflemen, 141 tankers, 115 marines (most of them were fighters of the 810th Guards Marine Corps.), 94 National Guardsmen, 29 pilots (22 aircraft pilots and 7 helicopter pilots), 20 sailors, 28 engineers, 54 special forces, 61 artillerymen, 10 volunteers, 68 fighters of other types of troops. Since the beginning of the war, the Russian Federation has lost 399 officers, a quarter of them are senior staff (majors, lieutenant colonels and colonels). The highest casualties among the military by region are among the natives of Dagestan and Buryatia. Russia suffered the heaviest losses in manpower on the first day of the invasion and on 12 March. This is the most objective source in my opinion. Of course, it does not reflect all the existing losses, but it allows you to get a well-founded picture. Also, as a starting point for understanding, one should take into account about 700 Russian prisoners of war taken by the Ukrainian army during the entire period of hostilities (official data from the Ukrainian side). A large number of casualties among officers on the Russian side is traditional, since there are significantly more military personnel in the officer rank in the Russian armed forces than in other countries. In Chechnya, the ratio of officer losses to soldiers was 1:3. It should be borne in mind that this number of Russian losses does not include the losses of the DPR and LPR, whose troops are actively involved in hostilities and, accordingly, are significant. Although the captured soldiers from the unrecognized republics are considered by Ukraine as Russian, they are included in the mentioned number and are exchanged for Ukrainian servicemen on a common basis. Here is a translation of the article "Mediazones": link And here is a story about this human rights organization: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediazona |
Straw Plaiter | 19 May 2022 9:26 a.m. PST |
2099? Add a nought on the end and sadly you might be near the actual figure. If decent people like you believe these figures, ignore the atrocities against civilians (UN and Amnesty International confirmed) and the awful effect on world food supplies then it explains why this unjust war continues. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 9:34 a.m. PST |
And on what basis do you need to put a zero at the end? Based on the propaganda statements of the Kyiv authorities? This is an anti-Putin resource. The people who founded it suffered from the Russian authorities and were imprisoned for their views. But they are just honest people. Ukraine will need grain after the war. Otherwise, those who are now taking it out will later start accusing Russia of "Holodomor 2". You understand that this year the harvest in Ukraine will be much less? If we are talking about stopping the supply of fertilizers from Russia, then Russia did not unleash a world war of sanctions. As they say in Russia: "Any stick has two ends." So the sanctions will hit everyone who plays this exciting game. |
jsmcc91 | 19 May 2022 9:51 a.m. PST |
Last report is that Russia has STOLEN over 400,000 tons of grain from Ukraine. Yes, the harvest is mush less, the Russian army STOLE it! Yes, this would be a direct reflection of another Holodomor. What else is it but greed and theft? Don't give me the crying face that the sanctions will reduce the fertilizer and it is all Ukraine's fault. |
Arjuna | 19 May 2022 9:57 a.m. PST |
I can relate to that. Not enough dead russian soldiers. We can help with that. Memo to logistics: Send more weapons. |
Straw Plaiter | 19 May 2022 10:00 a.m. PST |
Interesting you have no comment about the atrocities on civilians. How do you deal with that? Ignore it? Ukraine says they have killed 28k so I'm not using their figures. Mediazone say "This number (2099) does not reflect the real level of casualties: we only see public reports of deaths. These include posts by relatives, news in regional media, and reports from local authorities. In addition, the number of missing and captured is unknown." So 2099 is clearly the lowest possible figure as it only includes information available to the Russian public. Why do you think you do not get the true casualty figures from your Government? |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:00 a.m. PST |
And where did Russia use this grain? Sold? Russia is one of the major grain exporters. Or maybe she will feed the population of the occupied regions with this grain? Complaints? What? So far, everything is fine with us, with the exception of a rise in prices of about 10-20% for imported goods and the replacement of Western companies with domestic, Chinese and Turkish ones. They say that some difficulties are expected by the fall due to sanctions – we'll see. I personally have already made some reserves and converted part of the savings from dollars into gold. Away from problems – the dollar is now an unreliable currency ;-) |
Col Durnford | 19 May 2022 10:06 a.m. PST |
The Ukrainians have gained the respect of the world as a people who will stand up and fight even when the odd are against them. The Russian have gained the title of orcs. |
soledad | 19 May 2022 10:08 a.m. PST |
Just to put things in perspective. According to oryx (who has visually verified each loss) AT LEAST 361 Russian tanks have been destroyed. Armoured fighting vehicles 196. Infantry fighting vehicles 431. At a very conservative measure would be two crewmen (average)killed for each vehicle would be 1976 (361x2+196x2+431x2)killed. This figure is only VERIFIED vehicle losses. Not counting trucks or other special vehicles. So that fact alone shows, I believe, that the figures in the original post is incorrect Also russia does not take care of its own dead. Numerous sources have reported that Russia refuses to accept dead soldiers that Ukraine tries to hand over. Many others have been buried by Ukraine (who are civilized and gives the invaders a decent burial, something its mother country won't do). But this discussion is a moot point. Cuprum, you will never accept our figures. And we will most likely not accept yours. whatever Ukraine needs during or after the war, Europe and the world will provide it. Europe will most likely pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine as they are the victim of terrible aggression. today I read a report from NEUTRAL Human Rights Watch which proves that people in Bucha was skinned alive by Russian forces. That the majorit of muredered people had been tortured and children as young as 10 years old were raped by Russians. All the fault of the Russian people and I will never forgive you for it. I am sure you do not care about this and will claim I lie or that the sources lie, that is ok. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:21 a.m. PST |
You are not thinking right. This information in open sources (about two thousand dead) just says that no one is trying to hide the loss, no one is shutting their mouths to relatives and friends. Obituaries are published regularly, for example, a March publication about the dead from my region. There are no secrets! link |
jsmcc91 | 19 May 2022 10:22 a.m. PST |
Oh, you exported it out of the occupied territories that were invaded by a group of terrorist thugs. It is STOLEN grain no matter how you or your government spin it. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:29 a.m. PST |
Soledad It's not even funny. Where is this evidence? I recently cited here an article from a Western publication (I no longer remember which one), where Western experts reported that, according to the results of the autopsy of the bodies of those killed in Bucha, the vast majority of them were killed by artillery. And artillery fire on the city was carried out only by Ukrainian troops (a Russian column was destroyed by artillery fire right in the city). Until the end of the war, all these stories about atrocities (from any side), while for them there is no 100% recorded fact – this is just propaganda. Of course there are some crimes. And there are hundreds of fakes already exposed. But I won't talk about it now. I don't think Ukrainian fakes are any more true than Russian ones. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:30 a.m. PST |
jsmcc91 This is a war trophy taken in battle from the enemy. These are the rules of war. |
Straw Plaiter | 19 May 2022 10:31 a.m. PST |
I asked – "Interesting you have no comment about the atrocities on civilians. How do you deal with that? Ignore it?" No comment again so clearly you ignore the atrocities. I asked – "Why do you think you do not get the true casualty figures from your Government?" Your bizarre reply – "This information in open sources (about two thousand dead) just says that no one is trying to hide the loss, no one is shutting their mouths to relatives and friends." You say -"No one is shutting their mouths" but the fact is no words are coming out. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:35 a.m. PST |
Arjuna War to the last Ukrainian? But even the die-hard Nazis you love give up too. What in 1945, what in 2022 ;-) |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:37 a.m. PST |
Straw Plaiter Here the topic is about Russian losses. If you want to discuss other issues, you can create another topic for them. |
John Armatys | 19 May 2022 10:38 a.m. PST |
Don't you mean "These are the rules of special military operation"? As Straw Plaiter notes your source on casualties says "This number does not reflect the real level of casualties: we only see public reports of deaths. These include posts by relatives, news in regional media, and reports from local authorities. In addition, the number of missing and captured is unknown". So all we can say is that the Russians have lost at least 2,099 (excluding allied militias and so on). I can't see either side publishing data on their own losses until this whole sorry mess is over. |
Arjuna | 19 May 2022 10:43 a.m. PST |
> War to the last Ukrainian? It's their decision. But it's more to the last russian soldier in Ukraine. We will give them what they need. They do not fear you. We do not fear you. |
greatpatton | 19 May 2022 10:43 a.m. PST |
Obituaries are published but burials need a body…. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:44 a.m. PST |
John Armatys I agree. But I believe that it is already possible to easily assess the real level of losses. Even if the Russians have 5,000 dead and the same number in the DNR and LNR. With about 700 prisoners (I repeat – this is the figure officially announced by the Ukrainian side). Only 10 thousand. Hardly more in any case, but most likely – significantly less. |
Straw Plaiter | 19 May 2022 10:44 a.m. PST |
"Here the topic is about Russian losses. If you want to discuss other issues, you can create another topic for them." How very Russian. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:45 a.m. PST |
Arjuna We are not afraid of them or you either ;-) |
jsmcc91 | 19 May 2022 10:49 a.m. PST |
It is not a war, it is a terroristic action on a independent country. Russia invaded with no cause and violated the agreement that they signed with the UN giving Ukraine its freedom. Stealing the grain is not a spoil of war, it is theft. This is not a war. Ukraine did not start this or ask for it. I feel sorry for you and the people of Russia who are led by a madman. So many dead for no reason. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:52 a.m. PST |
greatpatton Undoubtedly. But Russia did not hide bodies during the war in Afghanistan, did not hide bodies during the war in Chechnya, did not hide bodies during the conflict with Georgia, during the war in Syria. And during the war in Ukraine suddenly began to hide? I don't see any signs or evidence of this. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 10:55 a.m. PST |
jsmcc91 some baby talk. And nothing bothered you when the West attacked independent countries? Or are you not aware of such cases? |
soledad | 19 May 2022 10:57 a.m. PST |
Lets agree that Russias losses are AT LEAST 2099. Hopefully much much higher. There should be no problem to add the 700 POW which Ukraine should execute if Russia executes any of Azovstal heroes. |
Arjuna | 19 May 2022 10:58 a.m. PST |
> We are not afraid of them or you either I know. The only thing russians fear, is being a nobody. They even sell their very soul for it. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 11:03 a.m. PST |
There is no death penalty in Russia. But in the DPR and LPR – there is. And I think that the Ukrainian Nazis will be tried by their former fellow citizens. And I think that many Nazi killers will soon meet their idols in Valhalla… or in hell))) By the way, do you also consider Breivik a hero? Or, recently, a colleague of the heroes of Azovstal distinguished himself in the USA (I forgot his name) – is he a real hero? |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 11:07 a.m. PST |
Arjuna Do you have much experience in acquiring souls? |
jsmcc91 | 19 May 2022 11:14 a.m. PST |
Cuprum2, Baby talk? Now you are sounding like a saber rattling backer of innocent women killed in this terrorist attack. Plus, you have no idea what I have or have not agreed with. |
soledad | 19 May 2022 11:17 a.m. PST |
They defend their homeland against an inhumane attacker. An attacker that does not respect human life at all. A fascist country whose evil the world has not seen for a long time. I sincerely hope a lot more than 2099 brutes have died. I do fear Russia, because russia is an evil country run by evil leaders. People who do not hesitate to start wars and ravage nations for nothing. Just a will to destroy. that is why I hope the losses are great so that there are less monsters in the future. |
Arjuna | 19 May 2022 11:19 a.m. PST |
@Cuprum2 The one russia is selling its soul to, is leading them to hell the very moment. |
Royston Papworth | 19 May 2022 11:19 a.m. PST |
Cuprum, while I understand (and admire) your patriotism, I do have one question, if Ukranian forces counter-attack Russian forces and follow up into Russia, is that worse than Russians attacking in Ukraine and if so, why? |
mjkerner | 19 May 2022 11:35 a.m. PST |
Cuprum2 is not a decent person, Straw Plaiter. That has been made very clear over the last few months. He has never once said Russia is wrong to invade and should leave and pay reparations, etc. He only defends the Orc invasion. The Soviets killed or exiled all the decent Russians a century ago. The only ones left there are just leftover dregs of Communism who, frankly, the world would not miss. How does it feel to be so hated by one and all, Cuprum? Crawl back under your rock and hope to hell Ukraine and the world doesn't kill you all. |
soledad | 19 May 2022 12:14 p.m. PST |
Mjkerner I wholeheartedly agree. I have tried to keep a fairly civilized tone as to avoid being DH:ed, you are very correct in your point of view. |
mjkerner | 19 May 2022 12:36 p.m. PST |
I know, soledad, I can't believe I let an internet "conversation" get to me. But after the invasion, and all that has happened, including my 2nd generation Ukrainian friend's grandmother being killed there, I find it hard to hold back against the man. Cuprum, just curious, why are you not volunteering to fight in the Ukraine to help your buddies? |
bollix | 19 May 2022 1:44 p.m. PST |
The Western media are issuing almost pure pro-Ukrainian propaganda in what has turned into a proxy war by the west/NATO against Russia. Prior to Russia's "special operation", Donetsk was the victim of terrorist aggression against civilians (rocket fire) that the Western media did not cover. If the Albanian immigrants to Serbia could break off from Serbia with Western support, why can't Donetsk or Crimea break off from Russia? Pure hypocrisy. I'm not pro-Russian, but I'm certainly not in the camp that thinks Ukrainians are pure as the driven snow, either. Many ignore the provocations against Russia and the DPR, but look at the way Ukraine blocked the irrigation channel from the Dnieper river to Crimea as one example. If those people want to be part of Russia, why try to stop them? This war is essentially a "Look, a squirrel!" move to distract the world from what is going on with the financial collapse and coming reset. Please don't call me a fringe lunatic until you've given the situation some time to be borne out. |
jsmcc91 | 19 May 2022 1:45 p.m. PST |
Mjkerner, I get it too. I have friends that are in Ukraine. One had to flee with their 2 week old baby and 4 year old out of Kyiv when the senseless attacks happened. My other friend is in another part of the country and scared to death of the constant air raid sirens and the explosions. She is a tough Ukrainian woman. She said this is her home and she does not want to leave. Fortunately the filth has not made it that far to where she is at. I have been chatting with her while she is in tears because of being in a shelter, etc. While the saber is rattling, there are real people that are suffering. Makes me angry. |
jsmcc91 | 19 May 2022 2:01 p.m. PST |
Here are some young men who are talking about their wounded soldiers being shot by officers. Watch the last part of the video where a distraught young Russian man is talking to his mom after being captured. This is bad all around, but to hear it from the young soldiers is telling. youtu.be/_qV5H6zsieM |
Bandolier | 19 May 2022 2:18 p.m. PST |
I actually read the article. This simply states the *verified* deceased war casualties. I can take that at face value. This is not an official running total by any means. The masses of unclaimed and unidentified "200s" reflect this. It also clearly mentions there are unknown wounded, prisoners and missing. When we include the LPR and DPR cannon fodder (who are not allowed to retreat into Russian territory) we can safely assume the real number is much, much higher. |
Thresher01 | 19 May 2022 2:37 p.m. PST |
I find it VERY interesting that the Russians and Putin are complaining about Nazis in Ukraine, when they are the ones that have adopted the Nazi tactics of war and blitzkrieg, not to mention genocide. The Russians under Putin's leadership started this war, and the Ukrainians are merely trying to defend their homeland, much like Russia did in WWII. My understanding is that the grain silos and warehouses in Ukraine were full, and ready for export to the EU. No doubt, a lot of train railcars were too, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that the Russians have stolen a lot of the grain from last year, much like they are stealing washers/dryers, automobiles, and other valuables/things from the Ukrainians too, and sending them back to Russia. |
Tango01 | 19 May 2022 3:22 p.m. PST |
How many wounded….? Armand
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Legion 4 | 19 May 2022 4:42 p.m. PST |
Bottom line … we probably will never know the actual figures. But with the mobile crematoriums, dead left behind, etc. there will be a lot of MIAs as well as dead. E.g. look at those Russian AFV that have been hit. Catastrophic destruction in many, many cases. Doubt many of those crews or passengers made it out. And their remains may be burned to anything recognizable. A horror of war some should consider before starting one. |
Cuprum2 | 19 May 2022 7:47 p.m. PST |
I'm with you again. We have morning here. Royston Papworth It's neither better nor worse. This is a war and it can have any course and outcome. Including the defeat of Russia. I don't know a single person in their right mind who would want a war. But wars still happen and there are always reasons for them. And, as I believe, the reason, by and large, is always the same one way or another – money. mjkerner So far they are doing quite well without me. Besides, I'm too old for war. But if war comes to Russia, then I will do my duty. As it is now performed by my relatives in Ukraine on both sides of the front. Legion 4 Yes, the Russians lost a lot of equipment. But far from all the equipment that you see in the Ukrainian messages belonged to Russia. Often they show you destroyed Ukrainian equipment, calling it Russian – drawing the letter Z is not difficult. They often show the same technique over and over again – passing it off as new losses. There are even footage from the last war (it is 8 years before the Russian invasion), footage from previous disasters, footage from other military conflicts and footage from computer games that pass off as losses in Ukraine. Prisoners can easily be forced to say whatever their opponents need. There is an information war going on. Opponents must shape public opinion and motivate their own population – and any means will be used for this. Including outright lies. Let's remember the recent stories with blown up bridges in the Russian rear, which were actually in the Ukrainian rear (flagrant nonsense that actually discredits Ukrainian sources – harm to Ukrainian propaganda). Now look at this "special operation" from the angle I see it. Russia conducts offensive operations with forces smaller than those of the defenders. Russia has an advantage in certain types of weapons (for example, rocket weapons), in the number of tanks and some others. Ukraine (given extensive Western assistance) has excellent information support (both intelligence and media information), funding and supplies. It is waging war on previously prepared and fortified positions according to plans previously developed with the participation of the NATO military. The Ukrainian army turns its cities into fortified fortresses, turning them into "Stalingrads". The Ukrainian army is well motivated. Large-scale preparations were made for guerrilla warfare. But Russia is advancing, although it suffers significant losses. Russia has changed tactics, have you noticed? Now the priority is "artillery offensive". With any serious resistance, Russian troops simply methodically grind Ukrainian positions with artillery fire and airstrikes. Russian losses have decreased significantly, while Ukrainian losses, on the contrary, are growing. Ukraine is losing experienced soldiers with years of real war experience, and they are being replaced by poorly trained conscripts. Ukrainian defense is becoming looser, the number of prisoners is growing. New Terminator tank support vehicles have been sent to Russian tank units, which show excellent results in destroying the most dangerous grenade launchers for tanks (however, there are not many such vehicles yet). For battles in cities and fortified areas, Assault engineer-sapper brigades (the experience of the Second World War) are being recreated. The Russian command greatly underestimated the enemy. Unfortunately, this was the case in almost all Russian wars. But Russians always learn fast… So this is just the beginning, in my opinion. |
nickinsomerset | 20 May 2022 12:05 a.m. PST |
"If we are talking about stopping the supply of fertilizers from Russia, then Russia did not unleash a world war of sanctions". No they invaded a soveriegn country on the pretext that Adolf Hitler was running the country and got very upset that they were not welcomed with open arms and flowers. What did you expect, people to roll over and believe the soviet lies? "Yes, the Russians lost a lot of equipment. But far from all the equipment that you see in the Ukrainian messages belonged to Russia. Often they show you destroyed Ukrainian equipment, calling it Russian – drawing the letter Z is not difficult".
So say the Russians! Tally Ho! |
nickinsomerset | 20 May 2022 12:09 a.m. PST |
"I don't see any signs or evidence of this" Because you are a Soviet and see only what you are shown by your leader, Tally Ho! |
Choctaw | 20 May 2022 1:03 p.m. PST |
Why do you guys even argue with him? He is nothing more than a Joseph Goebbels with a Russian accent. |
Tango01 | 20 May 2022 3:33 p.m. PST |
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Tango01 | 20 May 2022 10:20 p.m. PST |
Russian Hypersonic Missiles Underperforming in Ukraine Conflict, NORTHCOM Says link
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soledad | 21 May 2022 3:47 a.m. PST |
link Russia does not accept the bodies of killed russian soldiers. Of course you can claim "low" losses when you do not accept the return of dead service men. It shows what a brutal and terrible regime Russia has. They do not even honor their dead soldiers. Russia i truly a failed state. |