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Bozkashi Jones28 Apr 2022 4:52 a.m. PST

Here's a painting of the Battle of Casma, fought between Chile and French privateers in the service of the Peru-Bolivian Confederation in 1839.

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Can anyone identify the ensign on the left hand ship (probably the Arequipeño) please? It's not the ensign of the Confederation (a red field with the arms of both countries centre) and it's not the flag of Peru (which is shown in other paintings).

Here's another painting of the same action, but this one appears to be a red-green-white ensign!

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The first ensign looks to be similar to that of the defunct Batavian Republic, but with some sort of device in the centre.

Many thanks if anyone can help.

Nick

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2022 7:03 a.m. PST

maybe this?

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Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2022 7:03 a.m. PST

The "Batavian Empire"

Personal logo Lluis of Minairons Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Apr 2022 7:27 a.m. PST

Both are possibly misinterpretations of the Bolivian ensign of that time.

Between 1831 and 1851, Bolivia had as ensign a yellow-red-green horizontal tricolor, with the state coat of arms in the center. link

The 1836-1839 Confederation involved three states: Bolivia, North Peru and South Peru. Each entity did keep their own flags, despite the existence of a red union flag (whose usage I don't know)

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Apparently, Bolivian state ships also kept their pre-confederate flags too.

The second painting you show seems to show one such Bolivian flags, albeit in a wrong order and with the yellow stripe faded to white.

IMHO, the first painting shows a wrong flag, that in my guessing is the 1851 national flag pattern – but again, with colors either misinterpreted of faded away as red-white-blue instead of the correct red-yellow-green.

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Best regards,
Lluís

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2022 8:31 a.m. PST

Thx Lluis. That was interesting!

Bozkashi Jones29 Apr 2022 5:19 a.m. PST

Brilliant, many thanks Lluis – eres un caballero y un erudito

Nick

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