"Cannons system 1805?" Topic

Hello everybody,
It seems that the Russian artillery had a Cannons system 1805? So the Russian guns were different at the end of the Napoleonic wars? Just like the uniforms of the gunners?
Thank you,
Pascal

Not much different.

There had been substantial development under Emperor Paul (sometimes called the "Model/System 1798"). The "Model/System 1805" made rather small materiel changes :
--- deleted the 3-pounder "unicorn" as regimental artillery for the Jδger
--- returned to 2-wheel 3-horse caissons (vice 4-wheel, 4-horse)
--- improved gunsights (not visible in game scale until the introduction of a secord, precision dioptre sight from 1809 – which was itself was only seldom used : but the top half of the buttons of the cascabel were removed to permit its use)
--- removal of any remaining 8-lber unicorns, 6-lber Coehorn mortars and 3-lber cannons, even in remote regions, from Army Field artillery (not part of Model 1798, but some lingered in service for a while)
--- a standardized 4-wheel, 4-horse wagon re-configurable as an ambulannce, a rations wagon, a general transport wagon, a mechanic's/machinist's mobile workshop, large mobile forge, etc.
--- a tendency to name artillery pieces or paint patriotic slogans on them (1812-1814)
--- at some tme 1815-1820 the color of the painted wooden parts changed from a dusty, lighter, somewhat yellow-ish "apple" green, to a more saturated, darker, somewhat blue-ish, "darK" green (aiming to match the uniform dark green).

The biggest changes were not materiel : different organization (administration and order-of-battle), expanded training/eduucation, different tactical employment, huge ramp-up in production, improved quality controls, better powder, changes in social class/rank of artillerymen and officers, etc.

You might wish to review the recent research paper in this thread: link .

Thank you, but what are "unicorns"?
Howitzer?
And the 10 Pdr Howitzer is it for which bbatteries, at what time?
The 12 Pdr [long barrel] and the 12 Pdr [short Barrel], two barrels for the same piece?

The unicorn was a gun-howitzer that had a slightly longer barrel and higher muzzle velocity. The path of the shell did not drop as quickly as other nation's howitzers, which may have suited the more gentle rolling terrain in Russia. Napoleonic howitzer were not used like modern howitzers that fire at high angles in a rainbow trajectory. They were large bored guns, which shot high wind resistance shells at low angles at very slow speed. The drop of the shell from gravity increased with the time of flight and could drop from the horizontal down behind things.

Gun-howitzers of which lifting handles were shaped like unicorns. Edinorog (Rooskie) = Unicorn (English) = Licorne (French):

- Wiki – Licorne

The 10 pdr unicorns were deployed in light-companies (with 6 lb guns), the 18/20 pdr unicorns with position batteries (12 lbers).

Some TMPers think that the gun/howitzer had several uses:

- @1968 alludes to dropping/lobbing shells into dead-ground – such as trenches or a wood-line.

- Also as giant shotguns – firing canister

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There were three weights/sizes of 12 lbs. Revolutionary wars – position batteries – long 12 lbs and short 12 lbs guns. After 1805 – medium 12 lbs guns.

- TMP – Russian Heavy Position Companies 1812-14

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TMP has a lot of threads on Rooskie artillery – Use Google to search TMP: 'site:theminiaturespage.com "search term/words"'

"10 pdr unicorns were deployed in light-companies (with 6 lb guns), the 18/20 pdr unicorns"

Artillery gets pedantic quickly, sorry. But to help searching ….

Actually : 1/4-пуд единорог & 1/2-пуд единорог (1/4-pud and 1/2-pud – an ancient metric for wighing stones). The calibre of the smaller was the same as a 12-lber canon, that of the larger the same as a 24-lber cannon.

"giant shotguns – firing canister"
:-)

I might have added, above, that General Euler refined the 1798 gun carriage designs to lighten them. I dont think the changes would be noticable in a model (things like changing inner axle bushing housings from iron to bronze, thinning the wood here and there, etc.).

Thank you all, but what is the book published by Osprey, which best describes the Russian artillery of the Napoleonic wars?

@paskal

No one book has all of the information on Rooskie artillery of the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars periods.

@greystreak provides a research paper on the state of research into Rooskie artillery – we rely on a lot of assumptions made in the late 19th century – which has proven to be mistaken and incorrect.

@michman provides good information from recent research. (Rooskie State Archives were opened for a limited time and access allowed for the new information)

Others of us – such as @1968 and @shat – are, perhaps, more interested in the usage of the Rooskie artillery.

A quick trawl of TMP threads will furnish a good background of the latest information.

Good Researching and Wargaming!