"AAR-2A World War III 1958" Topic
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irishserb | 03 Mar 2022 6:05 p.m. PST |
I finally posted the first part of the AAR of my first big WWIII battle. Over 15 hours to play over 5 days with homebrew rules and 6mm figs. The battlefield before starting: link The AAR is at: link Thanks for looking, hope it might be of some interest. |
Stosstruppen | 03 Mar 2022 6:23 p.m. PST |
Very interesting! I would be interested in knowing why you chose that particular period? I am planning on doing cold war around 1982 myself, primarily because that was the time I was in the US Army. |
Captain Pete | 03 Mar 2022 7:10 p.m. PST |
That is indeed a very interesting period in that not too many people seem to want to game the Cold War until the very late 1970s at least. I served in the U.S. Army as a tank officer from 1976 until 1987 so the 70s and 80s are my time as well. I do like to see earlier times for Cold War battles as the equipment is interesting and there were various things that could have triggered a Cold War gone Hot before the 1980s. |
irishserb | 03 Mar 2022 9:06 p.m. PST |
I first started playing Cold War hot battles in 1982, and always found the idea of gaming earlier Cold War battles interesting/appealing, but for many years I didn't have the miniatures and in many cases, they weren't available. About four years ago, I started exploring what part of the Cold War to game, and had a hard time arriving at a single point, and then got the idea of gaming it in each decade from the 1950s through the early 1980s. I also found that a number of things that weren't available in metal, were available from Shapeways. Suddenly things like the Borgward B2000 infantry carriers for late 1950s West Germans were within reach. Just about anything was possible. I arrived at 1958, as earlier 1950s games would have involved more WWII hardware and would have had more Korea-like match-ups of equipment, and I wanted a different feel. Additionally, I wanted to look for an opportunity for an alt-history that was sort of believble. In the end, I came to the conclusion that the Soviet Union would have been crazy to initiate a WWIII in the 1950s. Despite their numbers, they were just too far behind the atomic curve. By the late 1950s, they are just starting to change that, and then their was the attempt to unseat Khrushchev, and that sort of gave me a window into an alt history that I could work with. In addition to WWIII in 1958, I have built forces for doing WWIII in 1968, 1977, and 1982. For me, it is about the matchups of units and equipment types, and I find Centurion IIIs v. T-55s or M60A1s v. T64s in the 1970s more interesting than M1A1s v. T80s in the late 1980s. |
Thresher01 | 05 Mar 2022 5:54 p.m. PST |
USA and NATO were in very poor shape back then, so might have been easily rolled by the Soviets back then, if they had chosen to attack. M41s, M47s and M48s look great, so it seems like a great way to show those off. I'm interested in ALL the aforementioned decades too, not to mention The Berlin Crisis period too, and 1973 as well, when the Soviets leverage The Oil Crisis to make trouble in the Middle East and NW Europe too. |
irishserb | 05 Mar 2022 7:53 p.m. PST |
I work with a guy who was in the 82nd in '73, and he told me about going on alert, when they thought the Israeli's were done for, and prepping for a jump into the region. Some interesting hypotheticals there. Yes, I'm very curious to see how 90mm armed M48s will fare v. the Soviet stuff, and the West German's with the M41s and M47s. My biggest question is how many games can I can get in before the Atomic weapons have to be used by the allies. I also had some fun with an Iran scenario awhile back, where the students went after the Soviet embassy in '79, instead of the US, and the Soviets use it as excuse to go in. Iranian forces ended up as two factions, either pro US, or fighting everybody, and US RDF arrived to share in the fun.
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irishserb | 06 Mar 2022 7:34 a.m. PST |
Posted part 2 last night: link The Soviets evened things out a bit. link Thanks for looking. irishserb |
Thresher01 | 06 Mar 2022 12:39 p.m. PST |
Yep, for 1973 with Israel, supposedly the USN had carriers cruising eastwards in the Med with orders to offload F-8 Crusaders to Israel, if/when needed. Turned out that the Israelis turned the tide. Then of course, you've got the Russians wanting to come to the aid of Egypt and Syria, and even threatening the use of nukes vs. the Israelis – probably still smarting from so many Russian pilots being killed by the Israelis in one air skirmish there during that period, while they were flying for/from Egypt. Given the Middle Eastern fuel embargo on the USA, our country being bogged down in Vietnam and the anti-war sentiment from that, I thought at the time that a Soviet invasion of NW Europe to be quite likely. Certainly an opportune time, especially if they coordinated that with actions by other countries around the globe against the West. I think the M48s are a good match vs. the T-54/55s. M41s did very well vs. PT-76s in Vietnam too. Thanks for sharing your battle reports. |
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