"Is 2022 A Turning Point In The Study Of UFOs?" Topic

"In 2021, there was an upsurge in peculiar sightings reported, thanks to people with smartphones or other video gear that captured these strange glimmers in the sky.

Could these unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) be satellites, technology deployed by foreign governments, falling space junk or maybe even floating specialty balloons or purposely faked unidentified flying objects (UFOs)?

Or could they be, well, aliens?…"
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Armand

Let's hope so.

The "Ancient Alien" crowd are salivating about this, me I'm more concerned if they are a threat period.

They are the technologically advanced version of Jade Goodall, observing mankind and the silly crap we do.

The "Ancient Alien" crowd are salivating about this, me I'm more concerned if they are a threat period.

Been watching that series for years. And started my interest in UFOs/UAPs even in Grade school. I have seen and read many things on this topic. Too many still don't get it and guys like me don't wear a … There is something there, there is something going on. Too much real evidence says so.

The Military is taking this seriously. And have been for a few decades. Not covering up like Bluebook, etc. Regardless … there is much the Military/Pentagon still is not saying.

They are the technologically advanced version of Jade Goodall, observing mankind and the silly crap we do.

This IMO is the one of the most likely reasons/theories … But who really knows ?

If they are a threat … they have not demonstrated that on a large scale ? And it appears there are probably a number of alien races doing this. Not just the "classic" Little Greys … 👽

We have nukes … that seems to be very interesting in them. Much more so than before. Too many cases of them flying near/around nuke sites. With many reports from the military for decades. Which most are still classified, AFAIK ?

So as one can see … I don't think many should be so "dismissive" about this phenomenon. However, I really still think most in the 1st World are not ready for the real truth.

As for the rest on the planet … many are still living in the 19th Century or before. So what they believe really does not matter, IMO. E.g. Jihadis, the Taliban, tribes in Africa, in the Amazon, many in the Mid East, etc. For a number of reasons …

Jane. :)

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Armand

Yep ! With the advent of everyone having a phone with a camera … photos of everything are taken, E.g. UFOs, Bigfoot, Nessie, etc., etc. 🛸🦍🐉

Except all the photos are still blurry, no matter how good cameras get. :)
I'd love to see a photo or video of ET that's at least porn movie quality. :)

Not all photos I've seen are blurry … but there are a lot of variables. Including the type of camera, weather & light conditions, who is taking the photos, etc.

Porn quality ET pics ?!?!?!? 😨🤯 "The truth is out there … " 👽 ETXXX !!!!

IMO, without some kind of warp drive or dimensional jump ala Star Trek or Star Wars, or a "Generation Ship", the distances involved are too great for aliens to visit our relatively isolated solar system. FTL speeds are supposedly impossible & it appears there's no life beyond earth in our system except microbes or simple plants, if even those. UFOS are what they are: Unidentified. I have seen lenticular clouds, a weather balloon, a B-1 bomber & a hot air balloon used for advertising; each was eerie until I recognized them. The hot air balloon was giving rides near downtown Dallas & the local news commented on the spate of calls to the police that resulted.

We may not know for sure there are other life forms out there. But it is statically impossible with all the stars having planets around them. And we had discovered 1000s at this time. Some of these life forms are intelligent and do exist.

If one observes some of the high tech capabilities some of these UFOs execute. On recent USN, etc., footage. It is obvious that they are operating on a different version of physics as we know it. I'm just not saying this, but many scientists, etc. So yes, these UFOs' tech is far ahead of ours. They may use Warp tech, wormholes, portals, etc., tech to get here from far, far away.

Again, too many scientists, military & civilian pilots, etc. are saying this … Regardless of the many misidentifications, etc., have occurred. Too many actually unidentified flying objects are being seen and filmed/photographed. It is undeniable … and should not be dismissed … Again scientists, military pilots, etc., have said all of this. Not just some nut job [or me !] are saying the same.

+1 Spurious Milius!

I definitely believe there's SOMETHING going on, but the likelihood of actual aliens visiting here--and as often as some would like to believe--are overlooking a key point.

While I also am optimistic that in time (if we allow ourselves the time!), we Ol' Earthers will discover the means to travel the stars, and the galaxy is entirely old enough for others to have discovered and exploited them, too.

But nobody talks about the time dilation issues involved in interstellar travel. An alien vessel might indeed be able to travel from its native star to ours in what may seem to them a reasonable amount of time (not 100 of our years for a twenty minute visitation). But at light speed--or even faster--the time dilation factor is still in effect.

For example, the aliens travel from Proxima Centauri for the four years at light speed to visit here. Unless their sense of time, their life spans, are in the hundreds of years, that's a pretty fair chunk of their lives--not to mention an enormous expenditure of energy that might be more profitably spent in other ways--for a short visit. Even if they hang in orbit for years, why the hell would they? If aliens have been visiting here even since only the end of WW II, they would know absolutely everything about us and the planet in far less time than they have been "seen."

Meanwhile, in their perceived time of transit, their world has aged… how many decades? Centuries? And if the home star is farther away still--10 light years, 50, 1000--the time dilation issue becomes insane.

And why are there so many different "designs" of UAP's (nee UFO's) reported? The usual answer is because we're actually being visited by multiple races (Grays, Lizards, Bigfeet, etc). Well, maybe, but now the time dilation issue is multiplied across more stars to the point of nonsense.

If anyone wants to posit that even time dilation came be overcome, they're welcome to think so, but something as basic as that seems fairly insurmountable.

So, maybe we should be looking for alternative explanations that might seem even more unlikely, but may still be more plausible?

TVAG

If they can come up with the tech to bend space, and travel from distant stars, it wouldn't surprise me to find they can actually travel through and manipulate time as well, as needed/desired.

+1 Thresher …

as often as some would like to believe

There a many, many actual scientists of many disciplines that believe as I do … no actually I believe as they do. As I am no scientist of any type. As is popular to say today … I follow the science … 👽

The aliens are definitly here! Follow the science! link

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"If anyone wants to posit that even time dilation came be overcome, they're welcome to think so, but something as basic as that seems fairly insurmountable."

I'm working out hyperdrive (i.e. moving from one point in space to another, near instantaneously, kind of like electron tunneling.) My theory neatly sidesteps any time travel paradoxes (but you'll need a very, very good navigational computer.) Still have to work out the actual hyperdrive tunneling through space, though… ;-)

The aliens are definitly here! Follow the science!

I saw that theory; it has some merit I'd think. Especially if Panspermia is in play … Guess some should stop eating them !?!? 🐙 My Greek friends tell me how they prepare them. Sounds pretty good !! IIRC I have had octopus sushi too ? Not bad once you get past those little suckers !!

Don't think that is the case with calamari being aliens, AFAIK ? 🦑 Hope not ! Very popular around here !

Still have to work out the actual hyperdrive tunneling through space, though… ;-)

Let us know how that works out. I'm sure NASA would be interested too … 🌌 I'm still betting on Worm Holes/Stargates/Einstein-Rosen Bridge, etc. 🌟 👨‍🚀

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Armand

Not all photos I've seen are blurry

Do you have any examples? Because *everyone* would be very interested if the quality is as good as, say, photos of Chinese aircraft carriers.

I'm working out hyperdrive (i.e. moving from one point in space to another, near instantaneously, kind of like electron tunneling.)

Good for you! Remember to avoid exotic matter. If I was a mining engineer, I'd hate to have to dig for negative mass.

Do you have any examples? Because *everyone* would be very interested if the quality is as good as, say, photos of Chinese aircraft carriers.

Well the photos are available online as well we have as seen often on different shows on the History & Travel channels. Doubt me if you wish … but many of the photos are still classified. For any number of reasons.

I'm no amateur when it comes to things that "fly" … Being USAF trained then being a Bn Air Ops Officer in the Army's 101. Back in my youth. I keep up with this topic as I have said. Again doubt me or many of the scientists, pilots, etc. if you wish …

Many UFOs/UAPs are explainable … but many are not. Have you seen the USN FA-18s' footage ? Or the interviews with the USN pilots or crew members ? It's online. Or other pilot interviews … They fly … they know what is up there.

Project Blue book in the 60's was a USAF/gov't cover up/disinformation attempt. The scientist in charge of the program didn't believe either. J. Allen Hynek … Until he could not explain many of these sightings. He then believed too … Again it's online …

Do you know who Luiz Elizandoro is ? Former US Army MI officer. Was in charge of AATIP at the Pentagon … Or Prof. M. Kaku ? Or former Canadian Def Min, Paul Hillyer ? All of that is online, if you don't know. And was and is on the History Channel …

I don't doubt these military & scientific professionals. And the list is long. And growing …

Doubt me, laugh at me, etc. If you wish … But if a UFO landed on the WH lawn, we wouldn't be told about it. No matter who the POTUS is.

But guess what … there is really nothing we can do about UFOs/UAPs ? And the Gov't/military knows that …

BTW … the Ancient Aliens episode last night was pretty good. A lot of clear new videos & pics. Nick Pope former UK MOD, A ret IDF Gen in change of their Space Program, Haim Eshed, Paul Hillyer, John Podesta, Clinton WH Chief of Staff, etc. So many very high-ranking people can't all be lying ?

Also not on last night, but Congressman Harry Reid[now deceased]. Was a big advocate. As is NASA Astronaut Edger Mitchell …

Something I heard last night for the first time. And I'm only repeating what was said. Aliens, which there are a number of races/species/types, which has been said many times before. They don't want the US, etc., to say anything about them because they believe that the human race is not ready … I agree … just turn on the daily news feeds …

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Again just IMO, based on years of "study", etc., … As I said I am not the only one. But a lot of very intelligent individuals. WAaaaay smarter than I …

Of course it could be a worldwide disinformation project … but I doubt it …

Well the photos are available online as well we have as seen often on different shows on the History & Travel channels.

The most recent ones are those F-18 films, which are horribly blurry, and it's not exactly clear what they show. It's not like the USN doesn't have good cameras, see this:

Why are UFO videos/photos always so blurry?

It doesn't matter how "high-ranking"* said people are – Jimmy Carter also had a UFO sighting. Why is the supposed proof always Bigfoot quality? Considering the number of high quality cameras/phones out there now, the aliens have to be intentionally retreating out of sight as per the XKCD cartoon.

* I only know most of the people listed through cursory reading, but I know Paul "Andromedia" Hellyer quite well. He was a lunatic who thought Americans would get us all into a war against aliens, and that aliens could solve climate change for us. He was also responsible for getting rid of the Royal Canadian Air Force, which fortunately has been undone. A much worse offense than being a lunatic.

It's not like the USN doesn't have good cameras,

I think those are FA-18 gun camera footage. Not the best for clarity, AFAIK. But those clearly show somethings that defy our version of physics.

There are other photos/videos that show much clearer images. Of other UAPs, not just the FA-18's.

The Pentagon report, from 2019-2021, said 144 UAPs were sighted. Only 1 could be explained. Now were all those UAP ETs ? Probably not ?

Why is the supposed proof always Bigfoot quality?

There are clear pics & footage of Bigfoot too … Are they real, a hoax ?

Regardless, Hellyer may be a nut, they may all be nuts … even me🥜 … but we will just have to wait & see …🖖

In the meantime, keep your nearby …

BTW … Bigfoot like berries of all types, the ones in Alaska are bigger than any others. Plus bear spray may work as a deterrent?🦍🦧🙈🙉🙊

Aliens do not have that far to travel. They live in our oceans.

There are 5 moons in our solar system that could harbor ancient life that has evolved to an advanced technology over millions of years. Europa for example. Science has proven life on our own planet can survive in extreme environments deep within our own oceans. So, it is not far-fetched to think that some of these craft that seemingly disappear into the surface of the ocean are merely going home. They'll leave us the land areas and the superficial ocean surface, while they have free reign of most of the planet and reside in their cloaked cities.

Meanwhile, remember not to fire your guns at the visitor spacecraft. You may inadvertently trigger an interstellar war.

I've heard that theory too. Seems they may have been here for a very, very, long time also …

But until the Gov't and/or the aliens want to revel themselves, etc. We will just have to wait. And yes, I don't think humans are ready yet …

Again I could be wrong, but so many others much smarter than I say:

They certainly could exist…

They do exist…

They are here now …

Or there is a worldwide cover up ?

Fire guns at them? All I want is a good picture. Is that too much to ask? :)
Heh, maybe those underwater "aliens" are really Atlanteans. :)

I'm sure there is protocols/SOPs for First Contact, etc., … Yes I'm sure there are FMs, etc., about this. But unless you have a need to know, they are very classified, I'm sure.

Again if you watch Ancient Aliens, Paranormal Caught on Camera, etc., you will see some clear pics/videos of UFOs/UAPs. But as I yet I have not seen any good/credible pics/videos of an "ET alien". Now if you want clear pics/videos of "Illegal Aliens" crossing the USA's Southern Border. Just turn on cable news. 😁🤩

And yes they could be Atlanteans ?

But until more information is released … we will have to wait & see. I'll probably long dead … 👻

With apologies to Dr Tyson, just because you don't know what they are doesn't mean they're aliens.

just because you don't know what they are doesn't mean they're aliens

Various governments/agencies also don't want their aircraft or missile tests to become public, so they all get relegated to "UFO" status.

Now if you want clear pics/videos of "Illegal Aliens" crossing the USA's Southern Border. Just turn on cable news.

Just like the Biden Administration, I will ignore that one. :)

With apologies to Dr Tyson, just because you don't know what they are doesn't mean they're aliens.

That goes without saying. But footage today shows UFOs/UAPs exhibiting a different type of physics than we know. And is highly unlikely that this is Russia or PRC tech. But yes, nothing says UFOs/UAPs have to be ETs. But in some cases it seems it may be a good SWAG.

so they all get relegated to "UFO" status.

Yes, the USAF has been doing that since after WWII including disinformation. But no doubt … many things are very much classified.

I will ignore that one.

As will I … I just got out of the Dawg Haus !