"[1805] "expeditionary corps in Hanover"" Topic

So where is the OB of the Russo-Brit force and their activities…?

cheers

Partial answer from L von Sichart "Geschichte der Königlich-hannoverschen armee" Volume 5 pages 16, 34 & 35 all to do with the KGL (6,000 men):

Heavy Dragoon regiment
Hussar Regiment
Light battalion
1st to 4th line battalions
Horse artillery battery
1st to 3rd Foot artillery batteries

See TMP link for leads.

I am afraid Nafziger's OoBs doesn't have the answer.

From Fortescue Volume 5 page 286:
KGL 4,808
4 companies 95th Rifles 400;
Brigade of Guards 2,000;
1st Regiment Cavalry KGL 575;
4th, 14th, & 23td foot 2.800;
2 brigades of artillery 300.

Page 294 has a 2nd division arriving on the Weser on or before 1st January 1806:
Major-General Sir Arthur Wellesley's Brigade
3rd foot – 590
8th foot – 447
36th foot – 657
Major-General Fraser's Brigade
26th foot – 438
28th foot – 968
91st foot – 508
Major-General Sherbrooke's Brigade
5th foot – 480
27th foot – 251
34th foot – 402
Royal Artillery 3 companies with horses
R.E. Detachment

Only reference to Russian troops is that they were led by Tolstoy….

GLEANINGS FROM THE CATHCART MSS. PART V.—THE YOUNGER PITT'S LAST VENTURE: THE EXPEDITION TO HANOVER, 1805-1806
C. T. Atkinson
Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research
Vol. 30, No. 121 (SPRING, 1952), pp. 22-29 (8 pages) jstor.org/stable/44218370
has a theoretical BEF which didn't happen – Cathcart proposed:
2 strong divisions of cavalry (one of 3 brigades of heavies under Lord Pembroke, the other of 2 brigades of light dragoons under Lord Rosslyn) – 64 squadrons in all or 9.600 rank and file;
The infantry – 4 battalions of Guards, and 40 of the line forming 7 divisions averaging 5,000 strong, plus a Light Brigade under Moore of 4 battalions (3 later on in the Light Division in the Peninsular plus one of the 60th);
6 brigades of horse and of foot artillery;
5 companies of the Royal Staff Corps;
6 troops of the wagon train.

Brief account of the campaign at link

Thanks, but only interested in the Russian regiments that went.
Only mentioned the Brits out of courtesy… as you say, they hardly get mentioned…
-d

Just a super-quick first "look" to get you started : not detailed, not double-checked, etc.
There was also a Swedish detachment . Overall the Anglo-Swede-Russian forces did rather well with a complex operation

Corps of Lieutenant-General Graf P.A. Tolstoy
Generals :Graf Osterman, Kozhin, Berderevsky, Prince Shakhovsky, Liven, Major-General D.P. Neverovsky
Staff : General-Kvartirmeyster Berg, Brigade-Major Graf Vorontsov, Fligel-Adiutant Benkendorf
Fleet : Admiral Yegor Yegorovich Tet (George Tate) (12 liners, 8 frigates, 140 transport/supply ships)

His Majesty's Life Cuirassier regiment : ~4 squadrons (~600 all ranks 16 September / 483 all ranks 30 December)
Courland Dragoon regiment : 5 squadrons (933 all ranks 30 December)
Izium Hussar regiment : 10 squadrons (1,697 all ranks 30 December)
Frolov Don Cossack regiment : 5 hundreds (570 all ranks 30 December)
Grekov-17 Don Cossack regiment : 5 hundreds (641 all ranks 30 December)
Protopopov-1 Don Cossack regiment : 5 hundreds (563 all ranks 30 December)
Ural Life-Cossack hundred : (118 all ranks 30 December)

Pavlov Grenadier regiment : 3 battalions (1,909 all ranks 30 December)
Saint-Petersburg Grenadier regiment : 3 battalions (2,240 all ranks 30 December)
Belozersk Musketeer regiment : 3 battalions (2,026 all ranks 30 December)
Ryzan Musketeer regiment : 3 battalions (1,937 all ranks 30 December)
Kexholm Musketeer regiment : 3 battalions (1,939 all ranks 30 December)
1st Jäger regiment : 3 battalions (1,383 all ranks 30 December)
20th Jäger regiment : 3 battalions (1,529 all ranks 30 December)
3rd Marine regiment : Commander A.Iu. Gamen : Chief's Grenadier battalion & 1st Commander's Musketeer battalion (43/1474 16 Sepember / 1,485 all ranks 30 December)

1st Artillery regiment : 4 companies, 36 pieces (1,158 all ranks 30 December)
estimate :
--- 1 battery company with 8x 12-lber canon & 4x 24-lber unicorn
--- 3 light companies with 24x 6-lber cannon (of which 2 with each musketeer & marine battalion, 2 spare) & 12x 12-lber unicorn (2 with each grenadier battalions)
1st Horse Artllery batallion : 1 company, 6x 6-lber canon & 6x 12-lber unicorn (280 all ranks 30 December)

Others (staffs, pioneers, sailors, medical, corps train) : (463 all ranks 30 December)

Total : 20,363 men 16 September / 21,354 all ranks 30 December

Sources :

Описание первой войны Императора Александра с Наполеоном в 1805 году.
Михайловский-Данилевский Александр Иванович
C-Пб : Тип. Штаба Отдельного Корпуса Внутренней Стражи, 1844

Битва трех императоров. Наполеон, Россия и Европа. 1799 — 1805 гг.
Соколов Олег Валерьевич & Пучков Дмитрий Юрьевич – Википедия
C-Пб : Издательский дом "Питер", 2018

@Michman,
Excellent finds.

@prince d'Essling

Thank you, but "Meh" …. it is only a "first look" – there are issues requiring more study.

Example :

Grekov-17 Cossacks were 2 sotni (hundreds) at the start and Frolov-1 was 5 sotni. Witht he Ural Life-Cossack, 8 total sotni with 1,000 Cossacks.

Up to 400 were drowned in a storm on 24 September (per Bekendorf). But the per-regiment reports are about 200 drowned. Later, Beckendorf recounts having only 600 remaining. So I think the drowning was less and the 400 number includes early campaign losses. But that is a guess.

Protopopov-1 Cossacks were sent as replacements (5 sotni – 600 Cossacks), so we have a new total of about 1,200 Cossacks. I do not know when, likely in October. But that is a guess.

The 30 December report (per Sokolov) is 1,892 all ranks, or about 1,800 Cossacks …. So it looks to me that not only was Protopopov-1 sent, but also 600 other reinforcements/replacements. But that is a guess. And trusting Sokolov without double-checking is also not "best practice".

I do not have full names for any of these commanders. And these commanders did not all make the full campaign – there were acting commanders for whom I have not accounted.

Example :

Need to double check that the Jäger were in 3 "smaller-than-heavy-infantry" battalions, not 2 "full-size" battalions per regiment.

Example :

The cuirassiers were originally 5 squadrons, but a "platoon" were shipwrecked and spent the winter on some Heaven-forsaken ice-covered Baltic island. I did not look for which squadron(s) were involved or for an exact count.

Example :

Lots of the detail on artillery is per "Shtat" (establishment) and standard procedures. But that is a guess.

Example :

Was 3/3rd Marines on-board and not landed ? Back in Petersburg ? Landed separately?

More generally :

I skipped looking for the unit and sub-unit commanders and the adjudants for the generals.

Graf Tolstoy split his force into an avant-garde, 2 "columns" and a cavalry detachment. A gamer can do his own split, but an historical OOB might show the actual organization used.

And I used modern Russian spelling translated into Engliish. Less lazy would be to also give the correct names in Russian in the old spelling.

Overall :
"Meh"

great information, thank you very much Prince of Essling and Michman, highly appreciated.

Possible Swedish contribution from Nafziger's OoBs but no source shown:

Swedish Forces in Pommerania
24 November l805
Cavalry Brigade:
Ska"nsak Dragoon Regiment (483)
Mo"rnerska Hussar Regiment (400
lst Infantry Brigade:
Svea Lidfgardes Battalion (700)
Go"ta Gardes Battalion (7l0)
Konunges Infantry Regiment (l)(506)
2nd Infantry Brigade:
Lifgrenadier Regiment (2)(l,200)
Tyska Grenadier Battalion (500)
3rd Infantry Brigade:
Kronobergs Battalion (5l9)
Jo"nko"pings Battalion (536)
Calmare Battalion (545)
4th Brigade:
Skaraborgs Battalion (604)
So"dermanlands Battalion (603)
Elfsborgs Battalion (594)
Artillery:
Det. Svea Artillery Regiment (l60)
Det. Go"ta Artillery Regiment (320)
Det. Wendes Artillery Regiment (344)
Fortification Brigade:
Gunboat Flotilla (50)
Fortifications Troops (l00)
Drottingens Liferegimente (2)(946)
Engebrektens Regiment (2)(946l) – the number shown looks like a probable mistype…..

Thank you gents, very good see some data around this subject.
Didn't mean to dismiss your entry Ian, was simply in a hurry as days wax and wane…

I'm sure the accumulation will be handy for some and SHOULD promote another sphere of interest that is non-Napoleon based to some extent.

I was interested to see where those Russian regiments that kept getting named but not appearing in the main armies,

cheers d

There was also a Persian War in tha Caucasus that started in 1804.
A rough listing of units would be ….

Caucasus Inspectorate – May 1803

from the regular Army field forces
--- Caucasus Grenadiers
--- Suzdal, Tiflis, Karbarda, Saratov, Vologda, Kazan Musketeers
--- 16th Jägers,17th Jägers
--- added sometime before May 1806 from the Dniestr and Crimea Inspectorates : Kherson Grenadiers, Sevastopol & Troitsk Musketeers, 9th & 15th Jägers
--- Vladimir, Taganrog, Narva, Borisoglebsk, Nizhnii-Novgorod Dragoons
--- field artillery : roughly 2 Battery companies, 2 Light (foot) companies, 1 Pontoon company
--- pioneers : 2 companies ?

army garrison forces
--- garrison infantry : Astrakhan Garrison regiment (3 battalions), Tsaritsyn (now Volgograd) Garrison battalion, St.-Dimitrii Fortress Garrison regiment (2 battalions), Azov Garrison battalion, Taganrog Garrison battalion, Kizlyar Garrison regiment (2 battalions), Mozdok Garrison battalion, Vladikavkaz Garrison battalion (formed January 1804, expanded to Vladikavkaz Garrison regiment of 2 battalions in November 1804)
--- artillery garrison commands and fortess engineer commands (typically 1/2 company artillery with 6 larger fortress pieces and 1 platoon of engineers) : Gurevsk, Tsaritsyn, Chernoyar (Chernyi Yar), Astrakhan, Yenotaevsk, Krasnoyarsk, Kizlyar, Mozdok
--- artillery detachments (typically a platoon with 2 smaller field pieces) on the Caucasian Line

irregular forces
--- Black Sea Cossack Host (10 Horse regiments and 10 Foot regiments, each of five hundreds), Stavropol Baptized Kalmuck regiment, Mozdok Mountaineer command
--- settled Caucasian Cossacks : Greben, Terek, Semeinye (Family), Khopersk, Volga, Kizlyar, Mozdok

Very interesting michman!