Louie N | 30 Nov 2021 10:29 a.m. PST |
Hello, Are there any images of a reconstructed example of the Sassanid "round bulb" head gear?
I am just trying to visualize it. what kind of head gear is this. |
79thPA | 30 Nov 2021 11:10 a.m. PST |
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Louie N | 30 Nov 2021 11:12 a.m. PST |
I am trying to get a picture of a real one, maybe a reenactor wearing one. |
noggin2nog | 30 Nov 2021 12:07 p.m. PST |
" what kind of head gear is this"? Going by the complete lack of evidence for this headgear in any ancient persian/sassanid art, I would suggest it was invented by the artist for Opsrey Men at Arms 175, then copied by miniature manufacturers. Most sassanid helmets found by archeologists are of the spangelhelm type. |
79thPA | 30 Nov 2021 12:33 p.m. PST |
Does this qualify as evidence? link |
noggin2nog | 30 Nov 2021 1:02 p.m. PST |
It does if you want the headgear for Achaemenid Persians fighting against Alexander, but not for Sassanids 600 years later. (And a rounded cap hardly looks like the inverted flower vase worn in the image above). |
rvandusen | 30 Nov 2021 1:04 p.m. PST |
The first time I ever came across those Persian levy hats was in Phil Barker's Armies and Enemies of Imperial Rome, or Ian Heath's Armies of the Dark Ages. I'm not sure where they sourced these hats, but they appear similar to felt round hats worn by Iranian Luristani men.
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noggin2nog | 30 Nov 2021 1:14 p.m. PST |
Traditional Iranian felt hats: link |
Louie N | 30 Nov 2021 2:26 p.m. PST |
Ok thanks kinda like a top hat, vaguely |
Marcus Brutus | 30 Nov 2021 4:57 p.m. PST |
Most sassanid helmets found by archeologists are of the spangelhelm type. If the hat/round bulb above is felt or of some other fabric then it is not surprising that the most of the helmets found are spangelhelm/metal types. I wouldn't expect otherwise. |
Druzhina | 01 Dec 2021 12:35 a.m. PST |
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phil bagnall | 01 Dec 2021 2:19 a.m. PST |
Just to throw a bit more confusion into the pot, my understanding is that the main evidence for globe hats was from monumental carvings showing high rank officials. Here's part of a previous discussion: TMP link My 15mm sassanids are all Lurkio figures and the only globe hats on them are on the generals, the rest are bareheaded or spangelhelm type helmets. Hopefully Duncan Head might be round soon with more primary source informaton as has Druzhina above….. |
Druzhina | 01 Dec 2021 4:26 a.m. PST |
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79thPA | 01 Dec 2021 7:34 a.m. PST |
I've found this to be quite interesting. Thanks to everyone who has posted. |
Druzhina | 01 Dec 2021 1:22 p.m. PST |
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Augustus | 01 Dec 2021 7:18 p.m. PST |
So, because no one else asked, why are there only 32 in the box when the "standard" is 48?! |
Waco Joe | 03 Dec 2021 9:16 a.m. PST |
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Major Bloodnok | 24 Dec 2021 5:47 a.m. PST |
What is HaT's illustration based upon? I thought Sassanian infantry wore mail, conical iron helmets, shields that were reeds interwoven with leather and were pointed at the top? I thought the levies were used as servants for Saravan and used in sieges rather than on the battlefield. |
Druzhina | 25 Dec 2021 2:17 a.m. PST |
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Erzherzog Johann | 26 Dec 2021 10:45 p.m. PST |
I would expect that it would be pointy end up. Cheers, John |