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Barin122 Feb 2022 12:53 a.m. PST

Well I'm not sure if this move made Russia safer. It did make two breakaway republics safer, bcs OSCE was reporting hundreds of shelling from both sides during last days, and with the level of information and real warfare I'm not 100% sure who is doing what in reality.
There're forces in Ukraine who wanted this war, there're forces in Donetsk and Lugansk who wanted to solve their problems with Russian help, there're forces within our government who are calling for a tougher stance on teh West and of course all these countdowns from December from NATO where not for nothing.
I don't watch TV normally, but I was watching Putin yesterday and at the moment I'm not convinced that we've got what we wanted. Yes, militarization of Ukraine was in the way. Ok, it will be more difficult to get into NATO now, but they have better chances to get a defence agreement like with Taiwan if US is willing to commit itself to such an ally.
The size of a buffer zone gain is insignificant. Yes, we could not hope that Ukraine will do anything according to Minsk agreement, but formally we're those who put an end to them.
Unless…all this is a part of a deal that we're not aware yet.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2022 6:22 a.m. PST

Tort that quote was relevant because Biden is a conventional U.S. politician and was when he ran. He is a conventional politician and Putin knows how to deal with U.S. conventional politicians and bureaucracy and knows how they will react. Putin knew he would be dealing with the same bureaucrats he dealt with when he took the Crimea under Obama, so he proceeded the same way.

Trump was NOT a conventional U.S. politician, so Putin and Xi never knew exactly who they were dealing with or how he would react. I know this flies in the face of those who believe Trump colluded with Putin. But to those who drank that Kool Aid, Orcs, Elves and Hobbits don't exist either, no matter how much you wish they did.

I did say he would move after the Olympics. I do believe Xi held that string. So I will pay homage to Austin Powers and I shall now call Putin…..Mini Xi.

Let us see now how long Xi holds off making his much more dangerous move.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2022 8:36 a.m. PST

Well, I see your point about conventional vs unconventional 35th and it's a fair one, that I did not get.

There are, of course, thousands of tweets, mostly unconventional. I don't think these were intentional as a strategy, they were almost always about political image and power.

IMO Putin knew very well who he was dealing with after Helsinki. I heard the words, I saw the body language and it seemed clear to me as well. A moment in history I never expected to see.

The time will come for historical judgement on all of that stuff. But right now, when we are on the brink, I don't think Putin is laughing, and whatever I think about POTUS, I am rooting for him and NATO.

IMO Xi is out for Xi, nothing else. These guys will use each other as it suits, but there is no bond. Ultimately Xi will not want to share the world with a guy like Putin. Xi wants to own us all, control is the goal. And it's about beating us at our own game by taking over the world economy. Again my opinion.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa22 Feb 2022 9:18 a.m. PST

Trump was NOT a conventional U.S. politician, so Putin and Xi never knew exactly who they were dealing with or how he would react.

Oh, I'm sure they had their analyses of the man's character and knew exactly what they were dealing with. His tweets alone were probably a field day for an intelligence analyst building a profile. Let alone his long public media trail.

More O/T how Russia are faking-up the crisis…
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Loads more on bellingcat itself as well lots of open source analysis of Russian military movements
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SBminisguy22 Feb 2022 10:20 a.m. PST

Trump was NOT a conventional U.S. politician, so Putin and Xi never knew exactly who they were dealing with or how he would react.

Nah, Trump was a TRADITIONAL US politician who would be recognizable to anyone not born after 1980. He may have made mean tweets but his actual policies and actions were something that would have aligned with Truman, Ike, JFK and Reagan. US adversaries knew they meant business, made no empty threats and would uphold US Interests. Biden is rather an example of a professional ESTABLISHMENT politician. many of whom have made "public service" a career and whose malleable morals are motivated by personal material and political gain. That means they can be bought, they can be relied upon to not rock the boat despite their PR-focused rhetoric.

That's why Putin annexed Eastern Ukraine -- because he knows NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. There will be a lot of blah blah blah, finger wagging and temporary sanctions and such, and then business as usual. Too much money at stake and political risk for them to want to do more.

Sorry Ukraine, you should have kept your nukes after the fall of the USSR, then Russia wouldn't be carving you up like a Sunday Dinner.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2022 12:01 p.m. PST

Since I was born under Eisenhower, Although don't remember his administration, I pretty much cover the others. I don't think Trump was like the rest. Reagan was my favorite. There were 2 Trumps. The one was the tweeting, abusive, nasty Trump. That is the one the media jumped on and portrayed. That was the one that liberals hated, Europeans despised and Rhinos could not live with. Then there was the man behind that, that seemed to be able to get things done. You can argue if Xi, Putin and the rest respected him or not. I believe they did. But he offered the stick, but never without the carrot in the other hand. Say what you will, but neither Putin or Xi did anything like they are both doing today during his administration. I would much rather have him in charge now, than the "group" who currently hold power. Speaking of which, Joe is about to make a speech.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2022 12:22 p.m. PST

The whole world knew who he was after Helsinki. No way Reagan would have aligned with that position and public image in a million years. And some of our most prominent billionaire politicians and their families have huge financial interests in China. "Being bought" is a broad concept, and complex.

But the real question still is, what was or is the right way to resolve this for the Allies? What is the best course going forward?

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2022 12:41 p.m. PST

Speech over, politicians on cable news on the attack here immediately.

These sanctions seem proportionate, you have to have something in reserve. Or is this wrong? I have a feeling there are some pretty disruptive things in the works for Putin if he goes farther. Or is this where you make a stand with him?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2022 1:21 p.m. PST

I said earlier in this conversation, Russia wants a buffer. Will he be content with these "break away" republics for now? I assume everyone involved hopes so, especially the leadership here and in Europe. I think they are more than willing to concede them to Putin. Will the Ukraine be willing to concede them?

What it comes down to now is: is this all Putin wants for now and will the Ukraine allow it.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa22 Feb 2022 2:15 p.m. PST

Putin isn't content with de jour borders of those republics, but their self proclaimed ones, which includes a lot of territory that the Ukrainian army is currented stationed on ….. plus 'de-militarising' Ukraine whatever that means.

Some interesting chat from academics and Russian correspondents suggesting, worryingly, that Putin's oars may not be completely in the water. He does seem to be veering away from the projection of calculating ex-KGB officer to something more 1880's than 1980's. Frankly some of his claims and demands hardly seem quite as calculated as in previous years.

The Germans have junked Nord Stream 2 – more than the UK's really done. And apparently China have offered a 30 year deal to buy Russian gas…

There were 2 Trumps.

No, just one. I used to work with someone who met him. And I observed his organisations behaviour while developing one his golf courses locally.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2022 4:12 p.m. PST

Yes, I heard something like that too somewhere recently about Putin, less cagey, grander plans. He has been very isolated during the pandemic. A small very conservative group of old school advisors.

Heedless Horseman22 Feb 2022 7:08 p.m. PST

If Putins's Russia is going to send in 'Peace Keeping' forces… just WHAT has happened to the U.N role in 'Peace Keeping'? Or, has that Duck finally died and decomposed?

Watchers to watch the watchers?

I would not wish the task on any Boots.. but ramped up Political opinion seems to be getting out of hand and economic Sanctions have always been a sad joke.

If 'Peace Keeping' is the factual intention here… then let's ALL get involved. WHO can argue with that?

Cynicism Level 9.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2022 7:05 a.m. PST

I know a group of you have been trained to hate FOX news, especially Carlson. Your choice. But I think this puts some perspective on US response and lack of US leadership.

Subject: Tucker Carlson: Americans have been trained to hate Putin, and will suffer because of it | Fox News


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ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa23 Feb 2022 8:34 a.m. PST

Well the useful idiots on both sides of the political spectrum have been rearing their heads. On left here its those who object to 'warmongering NATO' missing several points. Personally I'm not sure how their progressive left-wing credentials sit with essentially being an apologist for a right-wing regressive authoritarian and kleptocrat? And obvious there are those on the right who like that kind of thing.

SBminisguy23 Feb 2022 8:35 a.m. PST

OK, so maybe it's not really an *invasion* invasion 'cause Russian troops have been in Eastern Ukraine for 8 years, but you know -- INVASION!!

Ukraine 'invasion' not new: Russia has had troops in Donbas for 8 years, U.S. official admits
The comment seemingly contradicts Biden statement that Monday troop movements are "beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine."

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SBminisguy23 Feb 2022 8:43 a.m. PST

Subject: Tucker Carlson: Americans have been trained to hate Putin, and will suffer because of it | Fox News

Yeah, truly bizarre since for ALL of my short life on this planet as a Cold War kid (I became politically aware during the 1970s), the Democrats have done nothing but appease and accommodate the Soviets (Russians). It was soooo bad that Sen. Ted Kennedy even tried collaborating with the USSR to get help winning the 1984 presidential election there's a letter in Russian archives from Kennedy to Andropov seeking help! Talk about your puppety collaborator.

And have we forgotten Obama's open hot mic promise to the Russians that "this is my last election, and I can be more accomodating" after he's won??? And what did he accomodate the Russians on?? Poland and missile defenses, yes?? He gave away European and Polish missile defenses to Putin would be quiet and let him get re-elected without any distracting crisis or such.

And on the flip side, it was the Republicans who held the tough line against the USSR, Russia and Communist regimes worldwide.

And then the collapse of the USSR ended that Empire existential threat to the US, and Russia took its place -- a much diminished, less dangerous and less ideological nation. No longer the immediate existential threat, but rather a global power by way of inheriting the USSR's nuclear arsenal…but with a diminished economy, no longer able to project global power as the USSR had done.

SO I have never believed the hardline RUSSIA RUSSIA! cries from the Democrats, the accusations of Trump as Putin's Puppet (when we know it was the Clintons who benefited from the sale of Uranium assets to Russia, and Bill who had received hundreds of thousands of $$$ in "speaking fees" for giving speeches in Moscow).

All their domestic posturing that flipped history on its head to attack a political opponent, and world and national security be damned.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2022 9:43 a.m. PST

This spells trouble you guys….

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2022 10:44 a.m. PST

I have said before, if you are not willing to fight yourself or throw family members to their deaths for the Ukraine, then we should stay out of this. I do not believe the vast majority of the US are willing to fight this war. I am pretty sure the majority of Europeans feel the same. I am sure the Ukrainians are good people, but is it worth a war? I even question how committed the average American is to sending troops to defend Poland, Estonia, Romania, etc., if that could lead to a Third World War. How committed are the citizens of the major countries of Europe? How committed is the average Russian civilian?

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2022 11:02 a.m. PST

This is the position of POTUS. We will do all we can short of engagement.
Average citizens everywhere will suffer. No way I am giving Putin credit for anything but trouble.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2022 3:38 p.m. PST

Guys have sanctions ever worked? I am thinking of Iran, North Korea, Cuba. Did they ever stop the leaders doing what they wanted to do? People suffer, but the leaders always seem to thrive.

Legion 423 Feb 2022 3:47 p.m. PST

wardog 20 Feb 2022 12:34 p.m. PST
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would those roads not be mined, also have some nice ambush sites? also well surveyed for artillery ?
Yes that is all possible/probable whether a road running thru a marsh or otherwise. Again, the Russians have a number of amphibious capable AFVs, etc. I posted photos of some on this link earlier.

That being said, Russia has recon drones & aircraft + orbital assets. Plus probably SF already deployed/spies. So, they may see any mines being laid, ambushes being set up and even current Ukrainian positions FA or otherwise. But nothing is 100% …

would those roads not be mined
Yes of course, but the Ukraine has a number of open fields being the former "Breadbasket" of the USSR, etc. So, unless in a marsh, the Russians won't be road bound. In many cases roads may not be used at all. For the reasons you listed and others. E.g., likely avenues of approach, ingress, egress, cover/terrain masking, etc.

However, many modern armies have a number of ways to clear mines & obstacles. Both the USA & Russia uses mine plows usually mounted on the front of MBTs. The plow just pushes the mines off to the sides creating a path.

Also the MICLIC[Mine Clearing Line Charge] is used by not only the US & Russia but the Ukraine. They use many Russian vehicles/weapons. Basically, the MICLIC fires a rocket pulling a "hose" full of HE. Which flies across the minefield. Blows up detonating the mines and creating a path. Works clearing roads in MOUT too. The US used this effectively in Iraq, etc. link

also have some nice ambush sites?
In a marsh yes, or any closed terrain. E.g. MOUT, thick woods, jungles, etc.
Dismounted troops are trained to do this. We were in the 101, 2ID, etc. Also an ambush can be by executed by well concealed MBTs, Self-Propelled AT, towed AT weapons, etc. Of course these would be longer range ambushes, than dismounted Infantry.

Again air & orbital assets could find these ambushes. E.g. photos or Night Vision devices, etc. Or FA and/or CAS could be used to hit known and likely ambush, etc., locations. But again nothing is 100%. In any terrain a well-prepared ambush could be effective. Again for dismounted Infantry in closed or mixed terrain they could do a lot of damage. However, they better be ready to shoot & scoot once the ambush does its job. Withdrawal covered by FA smoke and HE.

also well surveyed for artillery ?
Yes, most armies' FA and/or mortars, once in position would rapidly do a map recon to ID a number of possible targets. Including based on their higher commander's guidance, i.e., from Bn, Bde, etc. Possible/likely pre-plotted indirect fire locations, e.g., avenues of approach, probable enemy locations, hill tops, bridges, wood lines, etc.

As I said many Russian air/orbital assets, may already know the locations of many FA, etc., positions. These would be priority targets to be serviced as the attack commences. Many modern armies have "fire-finder radars/systems". That can rapidly fire counter-battery missions. As these systems track where the fire comes from. And in turn return fire on those FA positions.

However, all Infantry, Tank crews, etc., train get out of the FA impact area ASAP. It a standard battle drill. Whether dismounted or mounted in AFVs, etc. Also note in many cases AFVs taking FA/Mortar fires will generally survive unless a direct hit. The fires may do some damage, especially if the TCs, etc. don't button-up. Dismounted just has to use their battle drills and get out of the incoming impact area. But again, nothing is 100%.

Again, a Russian offensive will start with hacking/jamming enemy C3[command, control communications]. Then massive air strikes, missiles, tube FA, etc., on known or suspected enemy positions, including ambush sites, FA locations, etc. They may even do a rolling barrage as the MBTs, IFVs, etc., cross the LD/LC[Line of Departure/Line of Contact].
Paratroops and/or Air Assault Troops would be deployed capturing bridges, key & decisive terrain, etc.

This type of attack/offensive maneuver has been described as "an un-stoppable avalanche of fire & steel." A true combined arms op with vast amounts of firepower.

SBminisguy23 Feb 2022 4:01 p.m. PST

There is no benefit for Russia to invade Ukraine in general. Putin already has what he wants, which is the formal annexation of Eastern Ukraine. This show of force, the troop build-up, is to deter Ukraine from contesting this action.

Anyways, that's my opinion.

Legion 423 Feb 2022 4:17 p.m. PST

He may just advance to the Neiper R. and claim the Donbas region independent. At least in the short run ?

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2022 4:24 p.m. PST

You guys have done a pretty good job of calling this so far. I hope this will be it for now, but he is never going to be done till he gets it all. He will want a link to Crimea, along with the rest of the "new" countries the Ukrainians still control. After that, the whole thing.Assuming he doesn't just go for broke and grab it now.

Welcome back Legion and thanks very much for the details. My thought was that the Ukrainians units will end up fighting in isolation as they lose their communications and just get mopped up. Guerrilla warfare?

Legion 423 Feb 2022 5:00 p.m. PST

Yes, it has been very interesting following this "war".

Welcome back Legion and thanks very much for the details. My thought was that the Ukrainians units will end up fighting in isolation as they lose their communications and just get mopped up. Guerrilla warfare?
Thank you, glad to be back … again …

The Ukrainian Army is primarily on the West side of the Neiper. That is basically the "border" between Ukraine and the Donbas region's Russian backed separatists. This has been a local "civil" war between them & Ukrainian Forces since 2014. When Putin "took" the Crimea. And will continue until Putin "Liberates" the separatists. Again, as he did with the Crimea in 2014.

So I don't think we will see much guerilla warfare. Until much of the Ukrainian Military is gone.

After the Russians cross the Neiper.

Russian forces in Belarus cross the Ukrainian Northern border and roll South. Towards the capital.

Russian Marines land in the Crimea and head North.

But if this happens both sides will take massive losses in blood & treasure. Something we have not seen the likes of since WWII.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2022 5:41 p.m. PST

Just thinking out loud.
But isn't a Russian Ukrainian war very similar to the US Iraq war. On paper the Ukrainians seem somewhat strong, but it is all pretty much infantry, tanks and artillery. Most outdated Soviet equipment. Their Air Force is no match. Navy non existent. So other than modern anti tank and anti aircraft systems supplied by NATO, really not much else. It is not the most defensible country. So if the Russians come out of Belarus, the 2 breakaway areas and via Crimea, isn't it going to end like Iraq?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2022 5:05 a.m. PST

Ok it started. So the start does seem to resemble Iraq a lot.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2022 6:53 a.m. PST

Maybe now, our leaders will stop throwing money away on worthless new vote buying social programs, and vote buying green programs and do what they should do, put that money into new development, maintenance and expansion of our military. Get rid of PC officers and get real military people back in. Put our manufacturing back in our country, where it can be protected and not nationalized by foreign countries. Maybe pigs will fly. 😡

Putin has done everything he has said he would do so far, Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine. Maybe we should take his words seriously. He has also has talked about Poland and Lithuania and their ties to the Ukraine. Is that his next move?

Having Poland and Lithuania in NATO gives us no options. I hate that. One should never box yourself in, with no real options. Does NATO start moving real divisions into both, not just token forces. Are we ready for WW3? With them in NATO, have we not emulated the same situations that started the previous world wars?

Where is James Bond when you need him and a quick end to a mad man? 😢

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2022 8:45 a.m. PST

Subject: BREAKING: Xi Is On the Move -- Taiwan Defense Ministry Says 9 Chinese Aircraft Have Entered its Air Defense Zone on Thursday Morning


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Legion 424 Feb 2022 9:00 a.m. PST

I posted this on another thread here … Putin's GEN's took a page from von Clausewitz, i.e. doing the unexpected, and/or Sun Tzu, "war is a matter of deception" (paraphrasing from both). Instead of the standard Russian tactic of massive prep of the battlefield with airstrikes, missiles and FA.

Putin's/Russia's attack was much more surgical. Targeting mostly ADA, then C3, troop locations, etc., in and near many cities/towns. ADA is always taken out first to allow air assets to go anywhere they want. The US ARMY calls in SEADS Suppression of Enemy Air Defense Systems. As the US did in Desert Storm, etc. It appears with the world's media is watching so he wants to limit CD as much as possible.

Plus, I think he plans on "annexing" Ukraine, as he did with Moldova, Georgia, and the Crimea previously. Seems his "dream" of recreating the former USSR is in effect. Or more like the old Russian Empire.

Reports are the Russian's successfully executed an air assault operation on an airfield near Kyiv. With Ukraine saying they shot down 3-4 helicopters(?).

The Russian attack is on 4 fronts. Which is a logistical challenge. But it appears at this time that is not a problem yet. Probably won't be unless the attack goes on for much longer time than just a day or so. The saying is still applicable "Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics" …

There may be a guerilla/partisan aspect of war going on as civilians are being issued weapons. Especially in a MOUT situation as we saw in e.g., Hungary in '56, etc. These civilians may also be used as militia. Working with/supporting the regular Military.

Putin said the day before if anyone outside of the Ukraine tries to interfere. They will be attacked as no one has seen before. Is he talking more than cyber, but Nukes ? He is called crazy by some. "Crazy like a fox" as the saying goes, IMO. But I'm still betting on No Nukes/WMDs … Of course, as noted already that could be just saber rattling for local consumption.

I also say a report 4000 UK, Canadian & Germany troops are being sent to the Baltic states. Putin does not like being surrounded by former WP allies now in NATO. Looks like that has happened, save for Ukraine, with Putin does not want them to join NATO and at this point nor does NATO.

Based on Putin seeing US leadership being seen as weak, naive, woke, wanting to Go Green from Day 1 as a big priority, the A'stan debacle, having to buy oil from Russia to etc., after shutting down the Canadian Pipeline, etc., making the US no longer energy independent, etc., etc. Putin sees this as his time to move. From a number of standpoints, he is correct.

As already pointed out here. The US when it comes to military priorities are very much misplaced by the new leadership at the very top. Even cutting back on the defense budget. Woke, inclusion, diversity, CRT, etc., are not warfighter skills required to be an effective combat force. Many at the top missed this as they did by putting Global Warming as top military priority. Too many of our elected & appointed governmental officials have no place in their current positions of power.

Stern/strict/crippling sanctions from NATO and many of the rest of the world will do some damage to Putin, Russia, etc. Regardless he will have "annexed" the Ukraine. Blood is being spilled, as it appears Ukraine will fight. With a possible guerilla war coming about. With more body bags being sent back home to Russia.

At this time the world markets are very much in the Red. Either way Putin wins …

There is some push back from some Russia media and population. They think this attack is unnecessary, wrong, etc. But as we know protesting in Putin's Russia won't get you very far. Other than prison …

Legion 424 Feb 2022 9:03 a.m. PST

Xi is watching Putin's War with much interest. Again he sees the many failures of the US leadership. As did Putin. So does Iran, AQ, ISIS, etc. One can see why many see the USA as a declining power. Hard not to … sadly …

SBminisguy24 Feb 2022 9:11 a.m. PST

Guess I was wrong, we'll see how far Putin pushes his troops. I wonder if this move by China to announce new wheat import deals with Russia means we have seen the formation of the next Axis Powers… hope not…all so avoidable.

Legion 424 Feb 2022 9:18 a.m. PST

"Peace thru strength" … not weakness …

"Hope is not a strategy."

Bottom line no matter what you don't want to have nuclear powers. i.e. the USA & Putin's Russia go into shooting war. And the PRC/CCP for that matter … E.g. MAD …

Oh … add Iran to that list soon also. 👉I won't point fingers as I will get DH'd … again … 😣

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2022 4:01 p.m. PST

Nah, Putin wants to beat us. But China wants to own us. And Putin. Everybody.

MAD underlies all of this. I worry about our troops on the Polish and Romanian borders getting caught up in a mistake or a firefight. We have that new missle base in Poland, May not yet be operational.

Legion 424 Feb 2022 5:45 p.m. PST

I was told similar from a USMC LTC Ret, "Russia want to destroy us, and China wants to own us." I agree …

That should be put on a T-shirt and bumper sticker …

As far as MAD, Russian tactics included the use of Tac Nukes. A limited tactical nuclear war, IIRC. old fart

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2022 7:08 p.m. PST

Subject: 'Russian warship, go Bleeped text yourselves': Final words of Ukrainian border guards on Snake Island

Brave Ukrainians

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Tango0124 Feb 2022 10:02 p.m. PST

ON THE SHARP EDGE OF EMPIRE: RUSSIA, UKRAINE, AND THE WORLD TO COME


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Legion 425 Feb 2022 8:31 a.m. PST

The slaughter on Snake Island will act as a rallying crime for the Ukrainians. And they do have home court advantage. It is their back yard. But the Russian forces do out number them. Those numbers will be telling … eventually …

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP25 Feb 2022 8:54 a.m. PST

Subject: HORRIFIC VIDEO Shows Russian Tanks Advancing Through Northern District of Kiev – Rolling Over a Vehicle with a Man Inside


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Subject: Shocking Footage: Russian Tank Crushes Civilian Car With Driver Still Inside | The Daily Wire


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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP25 Feb 2022 11:12 a.m. PST

Subject: BREAKING: NATO Tank Convoy Headed to Russian Border Country Estonia (VIDEO)


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Legion 425 Feb 2022 6:33 p.m. PST

Russian Tank Crushes Civilian Car With Driver Still Inside
That will happen, especially with MOUT. Plus you have young alpha males in charge of heavy pieces of weapons of war, e.g. MBTs.


NATO Tank Convoy Headed to Russian Border Country Estonia

Yes the US & NATO are sending forces to "defend" the Baltic states if need be. As they are NATO, like Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. All on Putin's border.

Tango0126 Feb 2022 11:24 p.m. PST

Latest Russia-Ukraine updates: Battles rage for Ukraine's cities


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Russia-Ukraine War Live Updates


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Russia Bombards Kyiv in Renewed Night Assault


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R6-year-old boy killed in western Kyiv amid intense fighting


Ukraine's nuclear agency says missiles have hit a radioactive waste disposal site near Kyiv


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Situation in Kyiv calm after overnight clash with Russian saboteurs, says Ukraine


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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 5:11 a.m. PST

Roryg1957. Some days it just not worth getting into a "discussion" with the liberal anti "FOX" cabal. The misquotes, half quotes. Watch CNN, MSNBC, The View, the Late Shows, listen to NPR whatever foreign sources you deem real news, your choice. Tucker does not claim to be news, he is opinion. Some good, some not. But he's interesting. Unlike the opinion "news" on some other channels, which seems to be talking points handed to them daily.

I try to use the web and multiple sources, especially as relates to the Ukraine. Now I'll go back and drink with my buddies at the VFW and listen to their opinions on combat, since most have been in it.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 8:13 a.m. PST

Putin has put his Nuclear weapons on highest alert.

Legion 427 Feb 2022 9:50 a.m. PST

they are NATO, like Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. All on Putin's border.
Bulgaria is across from Russia with the Black Sea in between. But that is across from Russia's border/coast.

Some days it just not worth getting into a "discussion" with the liberal anti "FOX" cabal.
Agreed … IMO … Jen Griffin, FOX's Pentagon reporter is very accurate and not biased, etc. As are many others there. They have two combat Vet's on FOX. One disabled USMC Vet and an Army Vet who served in the same Rgt I did in the 101. Albeit years after I was gone. old fart They are both very good and know their biz.

Now I'll go back and drink with my buddies at the VFW and listen to their opinions on combat, since most have been in it.
Agreed …

Right now it sounds like a bunch of drunks at a VFW hall at 1:00 a.m.
Some drunk or sober Vets know more about war/conflicts in general that many of our elected and appointed officials. E.g. the debacle of the US withdrawal from A'stan. I was an Infantry and Air Ops officer in the 101 Air Assault Div, in my youth. old fart I still can't stop shaking my head over Kabul and our 13 dead. So yes, I am a Vet, but not a drunk. Stopped wasting $ on booze a long time ago. 😎 Cheers ! 🧃🥛

Some advise … don't get in an argument with some drunk or sobber Vets. Just say'n …

One of my favorite MEMEs, " The old man that shuffles around with that Vet's hat on … Was at one time more Bad Bleeped text than you will ever be" … 😎🤩 Disclaimer: that "you" is not directed at anyone, just general distribution. 😆

BTW … some of my incites, for what it's worth, maybe not much to some ? 😁😎 TMP link

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 10:23 a.m. PST

Alcohol is cheap. 😉 not a drinker either.

Not sure why the Chechens would fight FOR the Russians. The Russians treat them like Untermensch. If I were they, I would turn on the Russians as soon as I got to the Ukraine. Imagine the surprise.

Legion 427 Feb 2022 11:06 a.m. PST

From Cuprum on another thread, but I don't know why these Chechens would fight for Russia either. I think they are moslems too ?

Cuprum2 27 Feb 2022 9:18 a.m. PST
Chechens are good soldiers. In addition, they have a very rich experience of participating in hostilities, both as rebels against regular troops, and in counterguerrilla warfare. Shown here are units of the National Guard and the rapid reaction police forces. And yes they are considered quite tough on the enemy.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 6:53 p.m. PST

Malcom Nance is recently back from Ukraine after a couple of months there and his sources told him that the CHechen CO of Russian special forces at the airport was killed in the fighting there.

Tango0127 Feb 2022 9:53 p.m. PST

Russian Military Forces Have Surrounded The Strategic Ukrainian Port Of Mariupol

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Satellite Images Show Severe Damage To Ukrainian Airbases


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Russia – Ukraine War Maps: Current Position And Status Of Russian Military Forces In Ukraine


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Tango0128 Feb 2022 10:32 p.m. PST

Former national security adviser: 'Putin got a lot more than he bargained for'


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Can Ukraine Really Use Donated Fighter Jets? That Depends


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