martin goddard | 15 Nov 2021 3:22 a.m. PST |
What proportion of your miniature gaming is wars of the roses over the past 6 months? The period seems to have been notably more actively gamed recently (I think). Obviously biased (Sorry). I have player 33 games of Wars of the roses over the past 6 months. Mostly very recently. This is about 75% of my gaming in that period of time. We have been playing a large amount of wars of the roses. We are using "Bloody Barons edition 2 (Rob's edition)" It has given us a chance to fight all the major battles on a weekly basis. Both players take a full part in scenario, scenery and army choosing. It fits nicely into an evening with a 3 hour session . It is a "normal play" game rather than whatever "fast play" is. Why rush? I don't like turning up to a game where the alpha male has laid out the scenery, chosen the forces, chosen the mission etc… I just get to roll some dice. No thanks. martin |
advocate | 15 Nov 2021 3:30 a.m. PST |
None, but mostly because my gaming is limited and other games are further up the queue. |
chrisminiaturefigs | 15 Nov 2021 3:41 a.m. PST |
Never gamed Wars of Roses, i do love painting them though. |
Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 15 Nov 2021 3:45 a.m. PST |
Never played a WoTR game errr ever. I dabbled in the 100 years war using 15mm minifigs in my misbegotten youth, back in the 80s. I've never really gamed anything medieval since then unless you count Fantasy pseudo medieval stuff. |
Eumelus | 15 Nov 2021 4:40 a.m. PST |
Over the past 6 months, just one game (Barnet) hosted at a local mini-convention. Going back a bit, converting and expanding my 28mm armies for "The Bloody Barons (v2)" was my big quarantine painting project, followed by one solo and two club games in the next year. So for me while the period still trails Napoleonics and ACW, it's a respectable third-place finish. |
robert piepenbrink | 15 Nov 2021 4:49 a.m. PST |
None. That was year before last. And it may not be again. I'm not convinced we understand War of the Roses tactics well enough to make it much of a historical miniatures game. As for your last swipe at other methods of setting up a game, many of us think figuring out how we carry out the mission can be interesting. But it's true that if an army only has one tactical mode, rolling the dice is all there is. |
arthur1815 | 15 Nov 2021 4:58 a.m. PST |
None, because I game exclusively black powder (era, not the rules) battles set in 18th/early 19th century, though I would happily play a WotR game set up by someone else. |
PzGeneral | 15 Nov 2021 4:59 a.m. PST |
I played my first game this year at "Con on the Run" at the Bushy Run battlefield near Pittsburgh. We used the "Never Mind the Billhooks" runs that came out a few issues of Wargames Illustrated ago. I got home and ordered the plexiglass figures from WoFun games. I have yet to use them, but I'm ready to go… Dave |
Jim Webster | 15 Nov 2021 5:29 a.m. PST |
Wars of the Roses is one of those periods which really demands a rule system (Like Bloody Barons) where the players have serious input. The best way into the game would be a wargames campaign of Hyborian depth and complexity, but given we don't normally have that amount of free time, I think Bloody Barons does a good job. It's your army, you raised it, blackmailed, cajoled and bribed to get them to turn up and now it's your turn to lead them :-) |
GurKhan | 15 Nov 2021 6:07 a.m. PST |
One game. Out of maybe ten games total in that time? And that one was the Bosworth refight at the Society of Ancients Battleday – the DBMM game. |
martin goddard | 15 Nov 2021 6:40 a.m. PST |
Sounds like "some" WOTR here. I am surprised. Those Wo Fun figures would be good to see close up. They make the game easier in terms of prep. For anyone that has not played much WOTR, do have another look . There are lots of rule sets and wargame coverage to see. martin |
David Grech | 15 Nov 2021 8:34 a.m. PST |
I got interested on wotr following Simon MacDowall's battle of Bosworth for the SOA battleday using Tree of battles. |
aegiscg47 | 15 Nov 2021 10:05 a.m. PST |
I'm going to be starting a WOTR project using Hail Caesar. There is a WOTR list that Rick Priestly posted in the Facebook group for the rules, so I'll be using that as a basis for the units. Determining the make up of the units, who was who, standards, liveries, etc., is certainly a daunting challenge! |
robert piepenbrink | 15 Nov 2021 11:31 a.m. PST |
WOTR always strikes me as a good basis for a campaign, martin. But on a tabletop I start asking questions about historical tactics. I'd be very open to using a WOTR campaign system, but fighting out the battles with historical armies about which we know more--or just giving up and using a fantasy system. |
Titchmonster | 15 Nov 2021 12:24 p.m. PST |
Playing, very little. Painting quite a lot. However we have a game next month where we plan to deloy about 2,500 28mm figs in a massive smash up. We are using Tactica Medieval with a few modifiers to speed up play becasue we hae 10 players. Love to throw lots of dice! |
Eumelus | 15 Nov 2021 12:48 p.m. PST |
Robert: I share your doubts about how complete and reliable our knowledge is about the organization and fighting procedures of WotR armies. In part that's what has sold me on "The Bloody Barons" – grid based movement means I don't have to worry about the historical fidelity of precisely how man-at-arms, billman, and archer were deployed to support each other or how capable the sub-units were in independent maneuver (if at all). It suffices to know that in my Van ward I have goodly numbers of our best men led by a highly capable earl, and that he is driving forward on our right. Those recent adherents, of doubtful attachment to the cause, are grouped in the Rear ward under Baron X who is of an eccentric and possibly treacherous nature. There is a lot of emphasis in TBB on leaders and how much they are exposing themselves to danger in leading their battles. The harder they push the bigger their effect – and the higher the chance that they'll catch an arrow in the visor. From our trio of battles under the system, leaders have been the main factor in victory. |
mildbill | 15 Nov 2021 1:32 p.m. PST |
I have been playing WOTR and using very simple rules. great fun . |
Fat Wally | 15 Nov 2021 3:36 p.m. PST |
Haven't played WOTR in a couple of years now. My son loves the drama of it all and Impetvs rules which we use. The last couple of years we've been playing ACW with Pickett's Charge and SYW with Honours of War. |
The Nigerian Lead Minister | 15 Nov 2021 4:32 p.m. PST |
None. Not my period and no one plays it at the club. |
Thresher01 | 15 Nov 2021 4:43 p.m. PST |
Sadly none, though I would like to do some, but haven't/can't, since I don't have the appropriate minis to do that with. I do have a several rules sets to use for that, since I've wanted to for some time, but just haven't been able to get around to it. I guess I need to get on with it soon, since presumably my days are numbered, and time passes so quickly. |
WKeyser | 15 Nov 2021 9:35 p.m. PST |
Have a bunch of unpainted figures and really want to finish and try two sets of rules that really seem to capture the period. The first is the Perfect captain game which also has a fantastic looking campaign game. The other is Poleaxed which not only has some really interesting ideas on representing the formations of the time and attempts to show the moving of the archers to the rear as you get into melee, and how "battles" operate the other aspect of these rules is two fantastic source books with dozens of battle of the period. Both of these rules are the type I really like, that is a designer that tries to capture a certain aspect of the period not a cookie cutter set of rules that kind of work of a large swath of time. |
Gonsalvo | 15 Nov 2021 9:48 p.m. PST |
More than 50%, but that's by Zoom with Tim Couper and David Knight, playtesting the rules and many scenarios for their WotR rules, Test of Resolve, released earlier this year (along with 2 scenario books, with a 3rd planned). Website: link FB group: link Walkthrough on my blog: link
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79thPA | 16 Nov 2021 5:03 a.m. PST |
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martin goddard | 16 Nov 2021 5:51 a.m. PST |
Maybe the positive comments given here might persuade readers to give the period a try? I hope so martin |
sixlasers | 17 Nov 2021 4:36 a.m. PST |
I never had a medieval army so decided to paint one. So far I've painted 305 Perry plastic WOTR. Enough for a game but haven't had one yet. As for rules, I'm keen on period specific ones. I've got Never Mind the Bill hooks and Bloody Barons 2 but neither floated my boat. What got me collecting and painting was Test Of Resolve. |
Arcane Steve | 17 Nov 2021 5:33 a.m. PST |
I have spent much of the last two years gaming time playing 'Never Mind the Billhooks'. As well as gaming the War Of The Roses, I have been building my collection of figures and models. You can see much of what I have made or painted as well as some of my battle reports in the WOTR category of my blog here: link If you would prefer to pick out articles, visit the main blog here: link If you would like an overview of Never Mind The Billhooks, there is a series of you tube videos available from Wargames Illustrated. The link is to the summary video 'Chewing the Fat' which will give you a flavour of the game. YouTube link The game was designed as a large skirmish/small battle game to reflect the sort of combat at, say Knibley Green. However, the game 'upscales' well to facilitate larger battles. To see just how well, take a look at 'Eric the sheds' blog. He has just completed a refight of all of the WOTR battles in sequence. The rules are available now only direct from WI but a delxe version is in production that will include rules for the earlier 100 years war and later conflicts such as the Italian wars. |
martin goddard | 17 Nov 2021 6:47 a.m. PST |
That is good for promoting this very interesting period Steve. Good work. martin
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Uesugi Kenshin | 18 Nov 2021 11:03 a.m. PST |
I've done ZERO games in the last year even though it's my favorite period. I need to get motivated and paint up armies for Mortimers Cross. It would help if I had a dedicated set of rules I liked. |