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03 Nov 2021 9:51 p.m. PST
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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian03 Nov 2021 9:51 p.m. PST

As Iran and its proxies increasingly rely on unmanned systems to carry out attacks in the region, Israel and the US have decided to step up operations targeting the Iranian drone industry, sources here say…

Breaking Defense: link

Oddball04 Nov 2021 1:49 a.m. PST

I feel safer already.

Escapee Supporting Member of TMP04 Nov 2021 7:01 a.m. PST

You were already safe. This partnership works.

Wackmole904 Nov 2021 7:50 a.m. PST

Were always safer with the wonderful leadership of General Miley .

skipper John04 Nov 2021 9:02 a.m. PST

Wackmole9 I just inhaled coffee and have been coughing and hacking the past 3 minutes. Your comment would have been much more humorous had that not happened.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP04 Nov 2021 12:55 p.m. PST

Taking out Iran's drone makers is a good idea. They have to know the USA & IDF will strike back … again …

Thresher0104 Nov 2021 6:44 p.m. PST

Sure…………………………….the US will respond.

I wonder how many more pallet loads of cash will be sent to Iran to try to make nice with them, since the last time that was done has worked out so well.

[cue dramatic eye roll on demand]

I do imagine the Israelis will take some positive action though, and will probably be chided by our current administration for doing so.

Cut off the head of the snake to really solve the problem. That should have been done decades ago.

Ignoring a time-proven tactic just invites more instability in the region.

Escapee Supporting Member of TMP04 Nov 2021 7:58 p.m. PST

We never should have released their money back to them, but it's done. They are still a mess. A threat, but a mess.

US and Israeli operations against them have gone on for years. And I wonder why they have 30 percent inflation and a 50 per cent poverty rate? Can't borrow money anywhere?

What actual reason is there for thinking the current administration would chide the Iraelis while working with them on this operation?

What Is the actual impact of Milley on tactical operations against Iran? How does anyone know this? Cable news?

How would we overthrow the government there, bringing more stability to the region? What would be the international implications?

arealdeadone04 Nov 2021 8:46 p.m. PST

Torotorella,

The truth is Iran serves as a valuable tool for the Americans and, the Arabs and the Israelis.

Iran's belligerence allows others to pursue their interests.

For the Americans, it gives them an excuse to maintain strategic control of a vitally important region (though they've made a mess of this).

Iran's involvement in Syria, Lebanon as well as Caspian also acts as foil to Russian and Turkish aspirations in the region, neither of which are in the American national interest.

For the Israelis, it takes away attention from the Palestinian issue and also endemic Israeli corruption and government ineptitude.


And not just little ol' socialist me saying this – these articles are by an ex-member of the CIA/National Intelligence Council.


link


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Of course the confrontation with USA/Israel also serves Iranian government interests.


Get rid of Iran as a player:

1. US can no longer claim any need to maintain significant presence in the region. Indeed save Syria the whole are is under nominal US "guidance."

2. US support for Islamo-fascist allies such as Saudi Arabia and UAE becomes increasingly difficult to justify.

3. Attention refocuses on the Israeli-Palestinian issue and particularly Israeli land repossession to appease ultraconservative Haredis and their quest to recreate ancient Israel.

4. American support for Israeli military also becomes somewhat questionable. Egypt and Syria's militaries are no a threats (well Syria's hasn't been since 1982).

Without Iran, Syria and also Hezbollah's capabilities degrade.

Hard to justify US taxpayer subsidised F-35s if there is no significant threat.

5. For Iran and Shias in general, any US win is a Sunni win and will have ramifications for Shia living in Saudi Arabia (already persecuted), Iraq and elsewhere.

6. If current Iranian regime collapses or is destroyed, the country will be preyed upon by others – the Russians, the Turks and the Saudis.

Thus destruction of Iran's regime is against everyone's interests.

Escapee Supporting Member of TMP04 Nov 2021 9:02 p.m. PST

Very interesting Ardo. None of this occurred to me as I tried to figure out what Milley had to do with this.

An interesting comment about slipping into Cold War with China at the end of the second piece. And the idea that statecraft on all sides is really what the game is about is much more convincing than I realized. Must avoid TV.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2021 8:05 a.m. PST

Thus destruction of Iran's regime is against everyone's interests.
Don't need to destroy them … just limit their capabilities a little, and make sure they don't get deployable nukes.

Which it seems with the current situation they may get nukes anyway.

Escapee Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2021 10:34 a.m. PST

Yes Legion, agree. Even if we muddle through, Israel is on top of the nuke issue and we will back whatever they do.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2021 5:02 p.m. PST

Yep … the IDF should count on our support. Even if some here don't like that …

But … Not sure how much support some in high places here will give Israel now ?

Escapee Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2021 6:03 p.m. PST

In this case, plenty I'm guessing. It's the Palestinian issue that causes the tension.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2021 10:32 p.m. PST

We will see … but again … Israel may not have the support it had from high places in the USA as it did not so long ago.

Thresher0107 Nov 2021 4:30 p.m. PST

I don't think the current admin. will really work with the Israelis to take on Iran.

They're doing just the opposite, e.g. restarting aid, cash payments, and negotiations with the Israelis enemies in the region.

Israel's defense of itself against thousands of rockets from their enemies has been called into question, and there are many in "leadership" positions who don't want them to receive aid to continue to fund their defense against the radical islamists in the region.

The current admin. seems to be fairly sympathetic to that position too, and far less supportive of the only democracy in the region than they should be.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2021 8:32 a.m. PST

I believe you are correct …

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