Heedless Horseman | 21 Sep 2021 8:01 p.m. PST |
(MIGHT get some Dog Bites, here!) Basically corroded /Rotting? link ACTUALLY… it's been like that for all MY life… so 'fine'. Long may it stay standing! Just curious… would some prefer 'refurbed'… as with some UK structures.. or just left 'As Is'. Trafalgar Square Nelson was a long time 'funny' for Pigeon *** … but they have stopped people feeding the pigeons… not sure I agree with that. OK… not warfare… but 'attitude' in 21c. 'Sort of' relevant… but Mods… Feel Free to kill if not happy. |
arealdeadone | 21 Sep 2021 8:04 p.m. PST |
If it's stable then don't mess with it. |
John the OFM | 21 Sep 2021 8:09 p.m. PST |
Waiter? Garçon? I'll have what he's having, please. |
Barin1 | 22 Sep 2021 2:16 a.m. PST |
My university spec is corrosion. I'd say don't touch the statue unless there's structural corrosion which might cause the destruction of the monument. Modern polluted air is not merciful to copper statues, and sooner or later they're undergoing restoration. If you scratch oxides from the surface, the environment will attack bronze and form a new layer. One of the most iconic Moscow monuments is under restoration right now, but it will remain green.
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kcabai | 22 Sep 2021 5:24 a.m. PST |
Mods: Can you please explain how is this miniature related? |
GurKhan | 22 Sep 2021 6:01 a.m. PST |
"Can you please explain how is this miniature related?" Some of the statues referred to might be very, very small? |
jamemurp | 22 Sep 2021 9:37 a.m. PST |
It doesn't seem related to modern warfare, either. Where is even the issue? It doesn't appear that anyone is calling for a scrubbing of the verdigris, and it is well known that a patina can actually protect the unexposed surfaces. Bronze statutes are routinely left with verdigris. You do have to watch for places where water runs/pools/drips as it can erode the surface and lead to penetration that can cause serious damage. Acidic rainfall, air pollution and even salt water are all serious threats to such monuments as well. Likewise, bird droppings are highly acidic and known to cause extensive damage. |
Heedless Horseman | 22 Sep 2021 10:57 a.m. PST |
OK… I know not 'warfare'… but trying to'sound out' whether US patriotism is linked to legacy or 'moving on' to another set of 'values. Statue Of Liberty is 'NON CIVIL WAR', so 'issues' about that not there. Myself, I feel strong 'ties' to Brit History… and statues… but a lot of younger just do not care. UK is not 'Queen And Country' anymore… so attempting to find whether US attitudes that upheld the WW2 generation… now, sadly, almost gone… are still there. For many… it might have been the first or last sight of USA… As I Say… feel free to kill topic. In retrospect… a silly idea, anyway… most TMP posters VERY 'patriotic and wouldn't be interested in 'Wargame miniatures' if they were not. |
jamemurp | 22 Sep 2021 12:15 p.m. PST |
So is the to compare/contrast with the removal of statues of Confederates? I ask because you mention 'NON CIVIL WAR' If so, yes, this is a very good illustration of how there is not some general attack on vague U.S. "values", but particularly a growing unease with honoring traitors with statues erected as Civil Rights became an issue. Yes, there are some others that also draw fire, notably Columbus, who was also a slaver. Likewise, Washington, Jefferson, and other slaveholders tend to draw scrutiny, but at much lower level. Notably, statues to concepts like liberty and justice do not draw the same ire. Indeed, much of the opposition to the Confederate apologia is rooted in the concepts of justice, freedom, and liberty and tearing down monuments to those who violently opposed those principles. |
Oberlindes Sol LIC | 22 Sep 2021 6:51 p.m. PST |
In St. Peterburg a few years ago, my guide pointed a large Soviet-era statue of Lenin with his open hand extended and raised. She said the people call the statue, "Lenin Hails a Taxi." The Russians don't have to break idols to be iconoclasts. |
Dan Cyr | 22 Sep 2021 8:54 p.m. PST |
+1 jamemurp I think the deeper aversion to the Confederate statues (as opposed to doing so to known slave owners) is more seated in the lives lost, the myth building attempts to white wash history, the hypocrisy demonstrated and the true reasons the war was fought, particularly by the Confederate states and their ties to white supremacy groups and beliefs. |
emckinney | 23 Sep 2021 8:24 a.m. PST |
"white wash history" I see what you did there. |
Dan Cyr | 23 Sep 2021 2:40 p.m. PST |
It was a free 2-for-1 phase, emckinney, I could not pass it up (smile). |
kcabai | 24 Sep 2021 11:29 a.m. PST |
Mods: Can you please explain how is this miniature related? |