Tango01 | 18 Sep 2021 9:13 p.m. PST |
…Remote AI Gun "Iran's top nuclear scientist was assassinated by a killer robot machine gun kitted out with artificial intelligence and multiple cameras and capable of firing 600 bullets a minute, according to a new report. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, 62, dubbed the 'father' of Iran's illegal atomic program, is said to have been killed in the November 27 ambush by a Mossad sniper who pulled the trigger from an undisclosed location more than 1,000 miles away thanks to the use of satellite. The gun which fired the fatal shots was positioned in a camera-laden pickup truck lying in wait for his vehicle to come past the ambush point…"
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Thresher01 | 19 Sep 2021 2:43 a.m. PST |
I recall hearing about this some time ago. Very sophisticated tech. I'm very surprised they went with this very sophisticated and complect tech approach instead of just utilizing a roadside bomb. Seems like the latter would have had a higher success %, and been a lot easier to produce. Still, the technique is obviously very advanced and effective. |
Garryowen | 19 Sep 2021 6:46 a.m. PST |
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mjkerner | 19 Sep 2021 6:47 a.m. PST |
Pfffft! Walter White engineered that method a decade ago! |
Legion 4 | 19 Sep 2021 7:57 a.m. PST |
Works for me … anything to stop Iran from getting deployable nukes. Israel knows they could be the first target. KSA will then get nukes from the Paks and now you have 3 nuke capable nations in the that region. Not really a good situation, IMO and many others. |
Tango01 | 19 Sep 2021 3:37 p.m. PST |
Don't mess with Israel… I told you… Armand |
Dan Cyr | 19 Sep 2021 11:08 p.m. PST |
The rifle killed one person, a bomb could have killed many others (I believe his wife was in the car). |
Legion 4 | 20 Sep 2021 9:10 a.m. PST |
Sounds like a good kill with little to no CD. |
Howler | 21 Sep 2021 9:10 a.m. PST |
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Legion 4 | 21 Sep 2021 9:17 a.m. PST |
My old 1SGT would say, "That is good shoot'n, Sir !" … |
jamemurp | 21 Sep 2021 1:47 p.m. PST |
So a foreign state assassinated a scientist coming home from a vacation with his wife, something that is clearly an act of war and probably a war crime, and this is lauded? Why wouldn't Iran be justified in counter attacking/assassinating now? No wonder Iran is rushing for a nuclear weapon and doesn't trust the US and it's allies. We reneg on our agreements and then the assassinations begin. Some real good guy behavior there. |
brave face | 21 Sep 2021 2:03 p.m. PST |
Gotta agree with jamemurp there…. |
arealdeadone | 21 Sep 2021 4:06 p.m. PST |
Totally agree with jamemurp. I wonder how the Legions, Threshers etc feel when Iranians and others start doing the same to westerners. No doubt some right wing Iranians will howl "righteous/good kill." Alas Israel on account of its historical circumstances and Jewish lobby in Congress is given a blank cheque to commit whatever atrocity it likes. |
Legion 4 | 21 Sep 2021 4:21 p.m. PST |
So a foreign state assassinated a scientist coming home from a vacation with his wife, something that is clearly an act of war and probably a war crime, and this is lauded? War crime … maybe … probably … But some will do anything to stop Iran from getting nukes. Which IMO is a good thing. No WMDs for Iran. Iran gives materiel support of Hamas & Hezbollah for attacks on Israel. I think that is more than enough for Israel to do what they can to thwart anything that Iran does that could harm the Israelis. If Iran got nukes and used them on Israel … I think that is an outcome that would be to no ones' advantage. Who do you trust Israel or Iran ? We reneg on our agreements Which agreement is that ? One that might allow Iran to get nukes. Some real good guy behavior there. Better to stop a radical theocracy from getting a nuke than otherwise. Today in that region and others , there are few White Hats. But some clearly Black Hats and a whole bunch of Grey … Not a lot of 🦄🦄🌈🌈🍭🍭 around anymore … WMDs e.g. nukes is a 0 – Sum game … Gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands in the aftermath is too late. |
arealdeadone | 21 Sep 2021 4:41 p.m. PST |
As if Iran would use nukes on Israel, it would simply result in Iran being destroyed. I know you struggle with the concept, but the members of the Iranian regime do want to live (and preferably live comfortably and in power).
Real reason Iran wants nuke is deterrence against better armed enemies including the US, KSA, UAE etc. There is nothing in Iran's past behaviour over the last 40 years that indicates a suicidal death wish. Their behaviour has been completely rational.
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Tango01 | 21 Sep 2021 4:46 p.m. PST |
Meteksan unveils a new version of ULAQ vessel
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Thresher01 | 22 Sep 2021 8:53 a.m. PST |
Iran has been at war with Israel thru proxies for a very long time. |
Legion 4 | 22 Sep 2021 8:54 a.m. PST |
As if Iran would use nukes on Israel, it would simply result in Iran being destroyed. Yes I think we all know that … But do the religious radical fundamentalists know … or better yet … care. They got that whole "paradise" thing going on. I know you struggle with the concept, but the members of the Iranian regime do want to live (and preferably live comfortably and in power). I don't struggle with a fundamentalist theocracy that think they go to "paradise" if they kill the infidel[most of us here, BTW]. So them getting nukes makes me a bit concerned. Does anyone want to risk this type of religiously dominated state getting Nukes ? I don't … but I guess you don't have a problem with it. We all know how nukes work. It ain't pretty … Real reason Iran wants nuke is deterrence against better armed enemies including the US, KSA, UAE etc. Highly … no very highly unlikely that the USA would use nukes on Iran. There is a higher probability of the US using nukes on North Korea. Which is so very small … There is nothing in Iran's past behaviour over the last 40 years that indicates a suicidal death wish. Their behaviour has been completely rational. You said this before and it ended up with you calling me irrational … Here are my thoughts … any fundamentalists theocracy with nukes is a bad thing. What's not to get ? That is not irrational … it is logical … |
arealdeadone | 22 Sep 2021 1:43 p.m. PST |
Legion, your theories fly in the face of 40 years of Iranian behaviour which was not to die and rather survive and thrive. As for deterrence it is deterrence against conventional capabilities which Iran virtually does not have.
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Legion 4 | 22 Sep 2021 3:30 p.m. PST |
your theories fly in the face of 40 years of Iranian behaviour which was not to die and rather survive and thrive. Regardless of your opinion … they don't need nukes, no matter was anyone thinks. |
arealdeadone | 22 Sep 2021 3:53 p.m. PST |
they don't need nukes, no matter was anyone thinks. So according to you they should just let the USA, KSA and UAE do with them as they please? You realise Iran's conventional military is in dire straits with virtually no capability especially when compared to their Sunni neighbours? Eg their air defence and measly 160 aircraft are nearly all of 1970s vintage. Even if they wanted to upgrade them they can't because of endemic sanctions. Those sanctions weren't even properly lifted under the Iranian nuclear deal and which only expired in October 2020. And even with sanctions lifted, the ongoing US economic sanctions makes conventional weapons buys impossible. The magnitude of required modernisation is staggering – you literally need to replace every major system because they're all outdated. Nuclear deterrent is cheaper than buying hundreds of places, SAMs, ships, radars, armoured vehicles, artillery etc etc So if your enemies are packing over 600 F-15/-16/Mirage 2000/Tornado/Eurofighters complete with modern long range cruise missiles, are investing in ballistic missiles, are obtaining F-35 stealth fighters, have access to modern AWACS and aerial refuelling tanking, have modern air defences including THAAD and you've got 160 obsolete F-4/-5/-14/Mirage F1/Su-22/-24/MiG-29 and rely mainly on 1970s MIM-23 HAWKs, HQ-2 and S200 for air defence.
The truth is even if Iran relinquished all its current weapon programs and stopped supporting Hezbollah, Houthis etc the Israelis (who need an enemy), the US (who bears a grudge and is in KSA's and Israel's pocket) and the fundamentalist Sunni Arabs will continue to try to destroy Iran.
And the big lesson from Libya was even if you appease the west, you will still get crushed like a bug on a literal whim.
Cuba, Russia, Iran and the North Koreans serve a special purpose in US foreign policy – they are forever enemies who the US will never allow to properly integrate into the global economic system and which in turn justify lots of US global activities.
Note China or endemic terrorist sponsor, Qatar, are not in the same place so it's clearly not a system based on countering threats. So given above geopolitical situation, Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons is perfectly rational and logical. By the same token it's also rational the US, KSA, UAE and Israel oppose Iranian nuclear deterrence because that would neutralise their conventional superiority. |
Howler | 22 Sep 2021 8:04 p.m. PST |
Iran should never, ever be allowed to get access weapons. They and their proxies have sworn to destroy Israel. It is folly to support or defend Iran's attempt to get nuclear weapons. Israel, and rightfully so, will preempt and prevent the ability of Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Never again. |
Tango01 | 22 Sep 2021 10:40 p.m. PST |
The new Israeli REX MK II multi-mission unmanned land vehicle
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Legion 4 | 23 Sep 2021 7:01 a.m. PST |
So according to you they should just let the USA, KSA and UAE do with them as they please? Does the KSA & UAE have nukes ? Not yet and I don't think they will. And yes the USA is very careful with anything involving nukes, since '45. Unless you have not noticed … You realise Iran's conventional military is in dire straits with virtually no capability especially when compared to their Sunni neighbours? So that means that they should get nukes to balance the ledger ? Again I don't trust many nations in that region. Iran should never, ever be allowed to get access weapons. They and their proxies have sworn to destroy Israel. It is folly to support or defend Iran's attempt to get nuclear weapons. Israel, and rightfully so, will preempt and prevent the ability of Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Never again. Oh stop ! You are making sense, being logical & reasonable. Howler +1 I totally agree. No nation who is lead by or influenced by archaic radical, fanatical, fundamentalists, religious beliefs should get nukes … You can fill in the blanks to list nations like that … ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ Etc., … |
jamemurp | 23 Sep 2021 10:09 a.m. PST |
The KSA is buying missiles from the Chinese. Do you think the Chinese won't sell them nuclear technology at some point? What happens if KSA gets them? The question isn't "should" they have nuclear weapons, no one "should". The issue is when you create a situation where the only rational solution is to get nuclear weapons. Look at how the US acts towards countries like Iraq and Iran v. Pakistan. Do you think we can contain Iranian nuclear development indefinitely? How? If not, then the question becomes how we make that period as long as possible (Hint: don't keep backing them into a corner) and minimize the chances of deployment once they obtain a nuclear weapon. |
Legion 4 | 23 Sep 2021 4:42 p.m. PST |
The KSA is buying missiles from the Chinese. China will sell to anyone. Old news. Do you think the Chinese won't sell them nuclear technology at some point? IMO highly unlikely. What happens if KSA gets them? We don't want a nuclear arms race in this region that has a good number of jihadis. The issue is when you create a situation where the only rational solution is to get nuclear weapons. Would that be Iran gets Nukes and their archenemy the KSA must get them too? The thought of these two religious dominated countries either and or both getting nukes. Is not a scenario I'd think any in the West or even the East would see as a good thing. Look at how the US acts towards countries like Iraq and Iran v. Pakistan. I know the US still give too much $ to both Iraq & the Paks. And the Paks are behind the Taliban. During the recent Taliban/AQ offensive to conquer the failed state formerly know as Afghanistan. The Paks provide supply, intel, 15000 Pak & Arab fighters, etc., support to their creation known as the Taliban. I don't know who thinks the USA giving Paks anything is a good idea. Do you think we can contain Iranian nuclear development indefinitely? As long as possible. How? Continue all sanctions, etc., to keep them as weak as possible. They don't need to get nukes. I also know giving them pallet loads of cash was a very bad idea. Should never have happened. And hopefully we won't see that foolish again. If not, then the question becomes how we make that period as long as possible (Hint: don't keep backing them into a corner) and minimize the chances of deployment once they obtain a nuclear weapon. They will probably not use their nukes, even if backed into a corner or anywhere else. Their leadership are religiously motived but they are not suicidal. But what happens if some jihadis got a hold of one of the nukes? Maybe some of the IRGC who are considered terrorists by many would like to use them on Israel, the KSA, or even the USA. The West and the IDF can't let that happen. Even if the possibility/probability may be low ? Does anyone in the West/Israel want to risk that ? Would you ? Again we all know how nukes work. Even a small nuke is very powerful. I had the additional duty as an Atomic Demolition Missions Officer as a senior 1LT in the 101. Again even a small nuke is very powerful. As we all know. Did you know UBL was looking for a nuke or two to use on the USA ? Would you or anyone want AQ[or ISIS!?] to get a nuke or would think even Iran should ? Again No Nukes for Iran, and IMO none for the KSA either. No one in the region needs any WMDs … period … In many cases many of them are not living in the 20th let alone the 21st Century. What is not to understand ? |
arealdeadone | 23 Sep 2021 5:10 p.m. PST |
KSA first brought DF3 ballistic missiles from Chinese in 1987! The Saudi involvement with nuclear weapons is secretive but there's been a lot of rumours and allegations: 1. KSA funded Iraqi nuclear weapons program. A Saudi defector provided a lot of documentation about this including evidence of KSA providing up to $5 USD billion (in the 1980s!) to Iraq.
This was all discounted even though the defector was given asylum in USA. 2. KSA also funded Pakistani nuclear weapons program and actually obtained some warheads.
There are some allegations that Pakistan actually provided nuclear missiles to Saudi Arabia who installed them in silos in As Sulayyil. This was meant to have happened in early 2000s. In any case, even the US has acknowledged that there is clearly a Pakistani-Saudi nuclear pact and some sources state that KSA could obtain nuclear warheads in a matter of days 3. In 2020 Trump signed an agreement with KSA to expand KSA's access to nuclear secrets (so called Part 810 authorisation). Part of these provisions is to allow US nuclear cooperation with KSA to remain secret and with less oversight by Congress. 4. Even Israel is suspected of selling KSA nuclear secrets: link
So it's clear that KSA has a covert and often outsourced nuclear weapons program (Iraq. Pakistan) and might already have access to nuclear weapons. It's also evident this program has been ongoing for at least 30 years.
Again No Nukes for Iran, and IMO none for the KSA either. No one in the region needs any WMDs … period Except Israel has them, KSA might already have them and US is clearly not opposed to KSA having them as they've done nothing overtly to stop the Saudis and are now actively supporting them.
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Thresher01 | 24 Sep 2021 7:43 a.m. PST |
"Legion, your theories fly in the face of 40 years of Iranian behaviour which was not to die and rather survive and thrive". Yea, except for their whole fanatical religious belief in their Great Mahdi, and how to bring him back. link Iran and their proxies have legions of homicide bombers, which ARE a clear and present danger to many military forces in the region, and civilians as well. Clearly, they are pursuing nuclear warheads (and probably even have some, since for the last 30 years we've been told they are six months away from fielding them), as well as a ballistic missile program with which to wield them against their enemies. Both of these programs should be prevented and/or destroyed, as should those of the Pakistanis and North Koreans too, since their radical regimes may be likely to use them, but alas, I suspect they will not be. The Saudis, UAE, and similar governments should be prevented from getting them too. |
Legion 4 | 24 Sep 2021 8:54 a.m. PST |
The Saudi involvement with nuclear weapons is secretive but there's been a lot of rumours and allegations: Yes just rumors, etc. This was all discounted even though the defector was given asylum in USA. One source ? Not actionable … 2. KSA also funded Pakistani nuclear weapons program and actually obtained some warheads. I have said the Paks will give the KSA nukes. You say they already have. Actionable intel ? The Paks are not friends of the USA. Plus IMO the KSA and Paks both being moslem will be more than glad to do things together behind the backs of the "infidels", i.e. the USA … IMO their moslem religious ties "trumps" anything vs. the infidels. Save for when it is to their advantage to use it against other moslems or other sects, tribes, ethnicities, etc. Its conditional and always has been … In any case, even the US has acknowledged that there is clearly a Pakistani-Saudi nuclear pact and some sources state that KSA could obtain nuclear warheads in a matter of days Never heard of this … link ? However, as I said it is well known the Paks will[or according to you have ?] give the KSA nukes. Except Israel has them, KSA might already have them and US is clearly not opposed to KSA having them as they've done nothing overtly to stop the Saudis and are now actively supporting them. So the USA is supporting the KSA having nukes ? We all know why the IDF has nukes. That is no surprise. But still am not so sure about this with the KSA & the USA ? Part of these provisions is to allow US nuclear cooperation with KSA to remain secret and with less oversight by Congress. Sounds a bit of conspiracy theory. But could be possible? What would be the point of the KSA having nukes and not mentioning it as a deterrent to Iran's "nukes" ? But anything is possible. But I think if the USA supported the KSA getting nukes is clearly a BADD move. Unless they are waiting for Iran to get nukes and spring a surprise on them. With the KSA saying "we have nukes too!" … Very "Clancy-ish" … But not out of the possibility … The KSA's "trump" card … ♠ Ace in the hole so to speak. Of course by the Sunni KSA announcing they have nukes will clearly put the Shia Iran behind the 🎱 and will do anything to get nukes. Which as we see is happening anyway, AFAIK … Even Israel is suspected of selling KSA nuclear secrets: Wow … right out of a Clancy novel ! But so far it is really more of a rumor ? Can't see the IDF giving anything having to do with WMDs to any moslem nation. But yes once again you managed to bash the USA with rumors, etc. Again your bias vs. mine … me being an American and all. Thresher +1
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Tango01 | 28 Sep 2021 9:58 p.m. PST |
Israel's Prime Minister Says Iran Has Crossed Nuclear 'Red Lines' link
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Legion 4 | 29 Sep 2021 10:48 a.m. PST |
Iran will keep pushing the envelope with the Israelis. To their own peril, IMO … |
arealdeadone | 29 Sep 2021 6:19 p.m. PST |
Legion, I have no idea about how much of the KSA nuke stuff is true and said so. As for Part 810 authorisations, you can read about them here:
PDF link They do limit development of explosive devices but as we know there are many ways to circumvent this (just ask Iran). |
Tango01 | 30 Sep 2021 3:30 p.m. PST |
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Legion 4 | 30 Sep 2021 5:11 p.m. PST |
I have no idea about how much of the KSA nuke stuff is true and said so. Nor do I … I was just setting up a scenario, etc. |
Tango01 | 01 Oct 2021 9:29 p.m. PST |
Pentagon Confirms It Killed Al Qaeda Leader Salim Abu-Ahmad In A Drone Strike In Syria On September 20 link
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Legion 4 | 02 Oct 2021 9:17 a.m. PST |
Yep heard about that … with more to come. Drones can be very effective if used properly. We do kill a lot of the jihadi leadership. If they replace them … we'll drone them too … |
Tango01 | 09 Oct 2021 4:18 p.m. PST |
Israeli Missile Strike On Syrian Airbase Kills 2 Foreign Fighters link
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Legion 4 | 10 Oct 2021 10:16 a.m. PST |
Good shoot'n boys … keep it up ! They will make more targets for ya !!!! 🚀💥🔥 ☠☠ |