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Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2021 7:07 p.m. PST

Autumn Wars has had to be canceled.

We have lost our venue due to the increase of the Delta variant. Trinity University has recently undergone a high spike in positive cases. Their main goal during these times is to keep their students safe. (and rightly so) We were among a number of events that had to canceled. We did have short time to seek out an alternate location, but logistically, none were viable. The BOD apologizes for the inconvenience this may have caused. Badge refunds will be available via Table Top Events,

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2021 7:18 p.m. PST

First of many.
I'm not gloating. I'm just realistic.

Personal logo Murphy Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Sep 2021 8:11 p.m. PST

What concerns me is that Gen Con is this coming weekend…

Personal logo enfant perdus Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2021 8:43 p.m. PST

So firsly I had a mild panic because my oldest nephew goes to Trinity University…in San Antonio. Whew.

Secondly, that sucks but I'm not totally shocked. The campus venue is, I believe, what sets this apart from a lot of other upcoming events. When it comes to communicable diseases, campuses are like prisons, barracks, and ships. I can't even remember how many meningitis outbreaks we had when I was in college, but it was at least three. I also recall the chlamydia and gonorrhea situation spiraling to the point that it drew the attention of the US Government.

Lastly, the Chicago Toy Soldier Show is less than two weeks away and I'm finalizing my travel inventory. A last minute cancellation would be a bitter pill at this point.

Rustycop Retired 201913 Sep 2021 9:12 p.m. PST

What a shame and yet I just watched MNF and the stadium was sold out. No mask no social distancing. What's the difference inquiring minds want to know.

McWong7314 Sep 2021 2:49 a.m. PST

Appetite for risk. Stadiums are high traffic usually once a week tops, campuses are seven days a week. Add in residential and student accommodation, thats a lot of risk.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2021 4:16 a.m. PST

Sorry to hear, but unsurprised. Good luck next year.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian14 Sep 2021 6:16 a.m. PST

Raiders (MNF))required proof of vaccination to get in.

Stryderg14 Sep 2021 6:41 a.m. PST

I don't know about Trinity, but the universities around here are requiring students to be vaccinated. And yet, they still keep canceling things. Completely illogical.

kcabai14 Sep 2021 7:04 a.m. PST

The school is working in the best interests of their population, and prefer to err on the side of caution. No one can fault them for that. We were located in the student center. This houses the cafeteria (which we going to use), activity rooms, indoor volleyball court, pool and fooseball tables, tv lounges, and the post office. We purposely chose this area because in the past we would get a high amount of walk-on student interest and traffic. Alas this year that worked against us.

Trinity also requires all students, staff and overnight visitors to be vaccinated. Last Sunday they also closed the stadium, canceling the first home football game.

Thanks for the well wishes, we will still be supporting Gamehole Con, Rockcon, and our Naval Wars. With Toys for Tots coming up soon. Please see the link for details. link

kcabai14 Sep 2021 8:37 a.m. PST

Sigh, John the OFM, you need to get new material or a new audience. Preferably both. You are not being a realist, because you are blatantly ignoring the facts. Listed below is only a partial catalog of cons that are on schedule for the next 30 days.

Everyone on TMP knows you are gloating, and grasping ANYTHING that will float your self imposed narrative. The truth is, cons are going on. They may be restricted but they are happening. Despite your attempts to play Cassandra for the last year and a half. Based on your age, i would have thought you grew up with the axiom, "If you cannot say anything positive, do not say anything at all."

Triangle Simulation Society Southern Front, Raleigh, N.C.
Escape Winter Con 2021
Game On KC 2021 – Featuring Popup GenCon
ShireCon 2021
HMGS-SOUTH Hurricon 2021
Enbicon 2021
Gencon 2021
Barrage 2021
AppleCon 2
NEWGameapalooza 2021
2021 Gaming Hoopla
CinCityCon 2021
TableTop Con
PRO OR CON 2021
Pittsburgh Gaming Expo 2021
Travellercon-USA 2021
Protospiel Online October 2021
Origins 2021
BorderWars 2021
Pro or Con 2021
Pittsburgh Gaming Expo 2021
Travelercon USA 2021
Lone Star Game Expo 2021
Epic Nerd Camp 2021
Con on the Cob 2021
NEA Game Fest 2021
TimpCon 2021
Armour Con 2021
Effing-Con

oldnorthstate14 Sep 2021 9:08 a.m. PST

You can add the Triangle Simulation Society Southern Front, Raleigh, N.C. to the list of conventions going forward, this weekend in fact…not too late to plan on showing up!

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2021 9:10 a.m. PST

kcbai:

According to their website, "The Call of Cthulhu Miskatonic Repository Convention" is a three-day virtual convention.

Though your google-foo is no doubt stronger than mine, it was the first one I pulled up. Do we really need to go through your lengthy list to cull out all of the ones that have already been cancelled or converted to on-line status?

+1 John The OFM

kcabai14 Sep 2021 9:18 a.m. PST

Please do so. The list I brought was from Tabeltop Events, which will list the cons a canceled. But please feel free to check and let me know what number you need to get to, in order to justify "The first of Many" I deleted the one virtual con and replaced it with a on site con. So the overall numbers still stand.

Update: I just went through the entire list, and did find one additional virtual con. It has since been deleted. I have the number at 29.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2021 9:24 a.m. PST

Don't bother, kcabai. Downers gotta can't abide optimism.

KSmyth14 Sep 2021 10:09 a.m. PST

We held Enfilade over Labor Day weekend. No vaccinations required, but masking was. No egregious violations of those rules.

I think the biggest challenge for conventions is attendance. Can you rent enough rooms and encourage enough attendees not to lose your shirt. Our attendance was down about 60%. We received lots of donation through our B and B sales from attendees that really helped.

Most importantly it seems like everyone was safe. I haven't heard of any Covid outbreaks, though took last week just to stay at home in case. It's a tough call and I don't fault attendees or organizers for packing it in for 2021.

Kevin Smyth
Enfilade Director 2021 and 2022

RAOldham181214 Sep 2021 10:57 a.m. PST

My son and I are flying to Raleigh to attend TSS Southern Front and see some old friends. Since its this Friday I dont see a cancelation so "game on".
I missed Enfilade but plan to attend next year.
Support the cons when you can!

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2021 11:11 a.m. PST

Pure bad luck that I picked the one con out of two on your list that don't apply.

No offence to "Call of Cthulhu" fans, I just picked that one because it sounded interesting.

Mister Tibbles14 Sep 2021 3:25 p.m. PST

The list forgets all the boardgame cons, the live sporting events, church services, schools, and everything else normal people normally do in a free country. If you are afraid of being in public, stay home. That will make parking easier for me and others.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2021 5:14 p.m. PST

There is no need to cancel any con. The vaccines are effective. Even in breath-through cases (which aren't at all common or likely, even with the delta variant), the vaccines reduce symptoms and increase the chance of full recovery to 99.9%— even for the delta variant.

If you can have the vaccine, check with your doctor and get it.
You can then go to the con and relax— you aren't likely to contract COVID at all— which is the whole damn point of a vaccine.

As for masks, the studies are quite clear— they're next to worthless. Cotton masks and surgical masks don't stop the airborne virus, and may in fact be more dangerous by retaining moist droplets containing the virus near your nose and mouth, where your breath can bring them in. In any case, a recent study from the University of Louisville shows that mask mandates had NO appreciable effect on the rate of transmission compared to cities and states which did not enact mask mandates. In other words, the masks did nothing at all to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Nor for that matter did the lockdowns.
If you don't want to believe that, understand that you're not acting on science but superstition (and probably politics). But the science is clear— vaccines work; masks, lockdowns and cancellations don't.

As for what's going on right now, let's file it under "wag the dog."

USAFpilot Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse14 Sep 2021 5:28 p.m. PST

And yet, college football stadiums are packed with thousands standing shoulder to shoulder unmasked. Yet not a peep from the media. Oh, the hypocrisy.

KSmyth14 Sep 2021 5:58 p.m. PST

There is no need to cancel any con. The vaccines are effective

Yes, we agree on one thing. The vaccines work, get vaccinated. However, organizers have to agree on whether or not to require proof of vaccination. Our group could not.

Honestly the rejection of mask wearing is up to your location. It's uncomfortable, it's inconvenient, rail against it all you wish, but mask-wearing is required in all public settings in Washington state including sporting events. And why would I want to take the chance if I couldn't guarantee everyone was vaccinated?

Honestly, masking was strongly supported by the majority of vocal attendees posting on our Facebook page and likely prevented a disastrous mass exodus from the convention. People want to be safe.

oldnorthstate14 Sep 2021 8:09 p.m. PST

The vaccines don't work as well as they were promised to work and can be very dangerous…over 25% of current COVID cases are among the previously vaccinated.

The doctor who invented the rDNA process believes the variants are enhanced by the vaccine and the reason they never were able to utilize the rDNA process for any other vaccine was this tendency for the vaccine to create worse variants, so stay tuned for that eventuality.

Since July an average of 70 people a day have been reported to the CDC (data on their website) to have died from a reaction to the vaccine.

If you had COVID your natural immunity is 25 times better in protecting you from infection than the vaccine based on a study from Israel, so you don't need the vaccine. It is estimated over 100 million Americans have already had and recovered from COVID.

As far as masks…study after study have shown them to be worthless given the size of the COVID virus, not to mention the way people wear them.

FearAndLoathing14 Sep 2021 8:54 p.m. PST

Kevin: keep the faith, brother. See you at Little Wars

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2021 10:00 p.m. PST

Daughter and son-in-law each had Covid last November.

On the advice of their doctors (each sees a different
one) neither of them will be getting vaccinated due to
something the doctors call 'pathogenic priming.'

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 8:54 a.m. PST

If I were running a con, this is how I'd address the concern:
"We are aware of the risks of COVID-19. We cannot guarantee that anyone who has the disease will not be in attendance. We respect the rights of others to keep their medical history private. However, we respectfully advise and request that all prospective attendees consult with a doctor as to whether a vaccine is necessary for you. If you believe you have COVID or you have not taken the vaccine or your doctor has informed you that you are at risk for COVID, please respect the rights of others and do not attend our convention. This is not a trivial matter— again respect others as you would have them respect you, and be wise in protecting yourself. Thank you, and we hope you have a great time at the convention."

That should be sufficient enough.

Pyrrhic Victory15 Sep 2021 10:58 a.m. PST

parzival

For what it's worth, that would not be enough to get me to attend a convention, so not sure that's sufficient. I'm not attending without a Vax/testing mandate for attendees, essentially the same thing the federal government is requiring out of employers with 100+ employees.

You are going to have folks decide to attend or not based on what the con does in regards to covid. If you mandate vaccine/test, you'll have folks bail. If you don't you'll have folks bail. Not sure where the balance is in our community, but if it's close, erring on the side of caution seems the right thing to do.

That said, I fully expect HMGS to not implement any requirements. I won't go if they don't do something and I know several others in the same boat. I'm sure there are plenty of folks with the opposite view. I don't envy the Board right now….

Daribuck Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 11:46 a.m. PST

RE: respect others as you would have them respect you

Not in America, not in 2021, not that I have seen.

Maybe the week of Sept 12, 2001, but not a lot since then…

Double G Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 11:52 a.m. PST

+1 Daribuck

Civility, respect and common courtesy have gone out the window in this country.

Double G Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 11:52 a.m. PST

"What concerns me is that Gen Con is this coming weekend…"

It concerns me too.

And COVID has nothing to do with it.

Double G Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 11:54 a.m. PST

"Lastly, the Chicago Toy Soldier Show is less than two weeks away and I'm finalizing my travel inventory. A last minute cancellation would be a bitter pill at this point."

Don't worry, that show is being held in the midwest, they're not draconian thinkers like those of us here in the northeast, so the show will ram forward regardless.

Bon chance.

Double G Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 12:07 p.m. PST

"The vaccines don't work as well as they were promised to work and can be very dangerous…over 25% of current COVID cases are among the previously vaccinated.

The doctor who invented the rDNA process believes the variants are enhanced by the vaccine and the reason they never were able to utilize the rDNA process for any other vaccine was this tendency for the vaccine to create worse variants, so stay tuned for that eventuality.

Since July an average of 70 people a day have been reported to the CDC (data on their website) to have died from a reaction to the vaccine.

If you had COVID your natural immunity is 25 times better in protecting you from infection than the vaccine based on a study from Israel, so you don't need the vaccine. It is estimated over 100 million Americans have already had and recovered from COVID.

As far as masks…study after study have shown them to be worthless given the size of the COVID virus, not to mention the way people wear them.

So, so much to unpack here.

I won't though in the interest of time; that said, this REALLY grabbed me; so 70 people a day since July are dying FROM the vaccine according to you…………….wow, that many huh………….as opposed to the 1,077 per day who are dying from COVID.

So 70 a day from the vaccine vs 1077 a day from COVID.

I mean……………….unbelievable.

Congrats; we've officially bottomed out.

I'd say how I REALLY feel, but it looks like the doghouse is a bit crowded at the moment.

Pyrrhic Victory15 Sep 2021 12:15 p.m. PST

From the CDC website:

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it's unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 2:01 p.m. PST

Pyrrhic Victory

It is your choice whether or not to attend a convention, as it always has been. You should indeed make the best choice for your health. But it is also everyone else's choice to attend or not as they believe is best for themselves.

If I were obese, a smoker, vaper, etc., or had respiratory issues, or was elderly or otherwise infirm, I would not attend a con, vaccine or no vaccine.
But I am none of these things. My likelihood of either catching the disease or having a severe reaction to it is approaching 0, and my odds of transmitting it to others is also 0. So I would (and have) attended a con, and would gladly attend another one— and I don't think I should be denied that right to accommodate the fears of others. Those who are concerned should just stay home. I see no need for me or others like me to do the same.

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 2:05 p.m. PST

70 people dying every day from the vaccine, eh?

Show me the death certificates.

War Scorpio15 Sep 2021 2:06 p.m. PST

+1 Parzival, sounds about right.

War Scorpio15 Sep 2021 2:23 p.m. PST

How bout VAERS. Co sponsored and administered by the CDC and FDA. Shall we go over the data Tumbleweed? Maybe include Israel, Ireland, Gibraltar, Vermont? BTW, y'all might not want to see ALL the things you don't want to see.

Just let me know.

Still planning to attend in Valley Forge. Very interested in seeing the PEL…

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP15 Sep 2021 4:03 p.m. PST

Reference to a federal site used to report complaints is rather thin. Show me something more substantive.

oldnorthstate15 Sep 2021 5:22 p.m. PST

"70 people dying every day from the vaccine, eh?Reference to a federal site used to report complaints is rather thin. Show me something more substantive."

Gee Tumbleweed…you show me the actual death certificates from those who "died" of COVID vs. those who died "with" COVID…we know for a fact that the COVID deaths have been wildly overreported since the Fed's granted a financial inducement to treat COVID…and the tests, we also now know that sensitivity of the standard COVID test can be tweaked and when tweaked it can return a positive result when there are no symptoms and only a small bit of the virus in your system.

And now you don't even believe the very Federal bureaucracy that has brought this crisis to you…but you apparently believe everything else they tell you…

Pyrrhic Victory, your dismissal of the possibility of dying from vaccine can be applied to the chance of either getting COVID or have a serious problem with it or dying if you are under 65, in good health, no underlying condition, etc. If you are under 18 the chance of dying is lower than the problem with the virus, but of course college and high school student are being forced to get the shot.

You are both delusional.

Pyrrhic Victory15 Sep 2021 5:25 p.m. PST

VAERS does register vaccine complaints but they aren't in any way verified. I could report that after I was vaccinated my room a exploded killing my cat and that would be in VAERS forever more.

Pyrrhic Victory15 Sep 2021 5:28 p.m. PST

Parzival -

Requiring proof of vaccination or a negative test does not prevent anyone from attending. I fail to see how this is problem for anyone. If someone can't or won't get vaccinated a recent negative test is the very least you should be willing to do to protect others

holien16 Sep 2021 2:23 a.m. PST

Hmm I wonder how we can all get to a zero chance of infecting / transmitting to other folk?

Parzival I hope you are sharing how you achieved that with the world medical community you might bring about an end to this highly contagious pandemic.

If you do I will gladly buy you a beer.

Pyrrhic Victory16 Sep 2021 4:07 a.m. PST

Old north state-

The vaccine is FDA approved. There is no credible evidence for widespread safety problems with it. There is absolutely no evidence that it's harmful to children.

Meanwhile, 1 in 500 Americans have died from COVID. Many others have long term issues resulting from the disease. Whenever there's a wave, Hospital ICUs fill up with COVID patients. The official numbers are almost certainly low, due to under reporting (not testing for COVID after death or the Family not wanting COVID on the death certificate).

If someone is delusional here, I don't think it's Tumbleweed or I….

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