"Afghan Rescue" Topic

Some good news from Afghanistan for a change. A group of U.S. special operations veterans, apparently acting on their own, brought about 500 at-risk Afghans into U.S. military protection.

See the article.

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Tom

Good to hear. Thanks.

Yes, a number of Vet's, NGOs, religious organizations, etc. are getting people out. Some are even getting Christians out. As we know what has happened in the past and will happen to Christian "Infidels" when religious fanatics e.g. Taliban/AQ/Haqqani Network, ISIS-K, etc., would get a hold of them. It certainly would be horrendous beyond mentioning.

Wish those "heroes" saving all these lives the best of luck. Too bad they don't have US air, etc., support …

Who the hell knows who they brought in. Most of people airlifted out by USAF etc haven't even been those eligible for visas (only 10%).

This is mass migration – I bet if the US said "we'll be flying anyone out of Mumbai/Rio De Janeiro/Kinshasa/Lagos/Kiev/Sofia insert name of second/third world cesspit here" there'd be a flood of people storming those airports too.

Who the hell knows who they brought in. Most of people airlifted out by USAF etc haven't even been those eligible for visas (only 10%).
This is mass migration – I bet if the US said "we'll be flying anyone out of Mumbai/Rio De Janeiro/Kinshasa/Lagos/Kiev/Sofia insert name of second/third world cesspit here" there'd be a flood of people storming those airports too.

I'm curious, and I don't mean to take offense, why do you care? Correct me if I'm wrong but you're an Australian yet I notice that most of your commentary is directed to US policy (on a wargaming website).

Most likely a ton with come to Australia.

I'm a migrant by the way but my family came in back when you would get a job in the first place you asked (ie lots of factories which are all mainly gone) and social security was very limited.

Now Australia runs a mass immigration scheme and work is very hard to get. Coupled with casualisation of workforce and it means any permanent low skill/nonprofessional positions gets anywhere up to 100 applicants for a basic position.

The other big issue is then we spend a lot of money on welfare dependency as refugees don't work (only 18% of adult refugees get a job within 2 years of arriving in Australia).

And refugees clog up other services eg my wife works for a domestic violence support service and the refugee population is massively overrepresented (mainly Nepalis who are 2% of population).

Now there's no extra money for this, not even a dedicated interpreter.

I work in public mental health and again refugees/immigrants (including students) are heavily overrepresented. And again it just stretches poorly funded services.

Then the government funded "affirmative action/diversity" recruitment drives which make a mess of things – eg both the hospital I work for and the public transport service are working hard on employing refugees regardless of their work ethic or capabilities. Eg we were forced to take a Sudanese refugee (employed as a cleaner) in an administrative position – he was next to useless, refused to learn, rude and thought he was untouchable cause he was a refugee).

arealdeadone that sounds awful.

Many years ago my local Rotary club had for a speaker a dentist who had been in the refugee camps in Thailand treating those folks who fled from communism in Vietnam after the Saigon fell. When he returned to the US he looked into how the "boat people" as they were called fared here in the U.S. He said the average length of time they were on welfare after arrival here was six months. But those were the resourceful, tough ones. Otherwise they would not have gotten out in the first place.

Tom

"The cowards never started, and the weak ones died on the way."

A nation of immigrants is also a nation of the strong and the brave.

Otoh, as I tell my students, anyone doing well where he is will STAY where he is. Only losers leave.

So a nation of immigrants is full of descendants of strong and brave losers.

Who the hell knows who they brought in. Most of people airlifted out by USAF etc haven't even been those eligible for visas (only 10%).

Well many of our Grandparents came to the US legally and became citizens.

Between the open Southern border and this airlift out of A'stn. I'm afraid many that come here in either case we may not know much about. Some of course from A'stan helped & supported us … those people deserve to be here … yes ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're an Australian yet I notice that most of your commentary is directed to US policy (on a wargaming website).

Yes I have noticed that too, however, I think sometimes his and others input on this and other topics is somewhat worthwhile. From the outside looking in … They may have a different perspective, etc. Which may be wrong … or even right ?

IIRC ardo said something like, that the US is the last best hope the world has vs. the PRC/CCP, Putin, Iran, Jihadis, etc. I am paraphrasing here …

Otoh, as I tell my students, anyone doing well where he is will STAY where he is. Only losers leave.

Does that include the pilgrims, Friends, and Latter Day Saints who left their homes for a new start? Losers? If new immigrants are losers why are some here so frightened of them? You think you'll lose to losers??

Does that include the pilgrims, Friends, and Latter Day Saints who left their homes for a new start? Losers?

In terms of the Mormon experience, it's complicated.

Certainly, those who were driven from one community to another, who were ordered to be exterminated by one state governor, were 'losers' in a material sense until they arrived in Utah, which was a place nobody else would choose to live in.

But what about my ancestors who were millworkers in Nottingham? They left a hard but established life to go to Utah, where they ended up herding sheep.

Or my ancestor who worked on the Isle of Jersey as a valued gardener, who gave it up to go to Utah and learn how to farm in a desert.

Otoh, as I tell my students, anyone doing well where he is will STAY where he is. Only losers leave.

This is why my parents left Yugoslavia back in 1982. Not that the country was bad, just that they were losers who always thought the grass was greener somewhere else.

By the time I was 11 I had moved countries 3 times and at least 12 times in total – turns out grass was never greener if you didn't water it!

They were and still are total losers.

They have lived in Australia for a grand total of 37 years each or 74 years in total.

In that time they have collected welfare for a grand total of 65 years (dad only worked 7 years in Australia, mum 2).

*A lot of the Yugoslavs we knew who arrived in period 1945-60 were hardworking folks though many were ex Ustasha or Cetniks.

The ones that arrived after 1970 were generally slack like my parents including quite a few of the refugees in 1990s – they were usually itinerant workers or welfare dependents back in the old country though all told great tales about how they or their parents were company directors, engineers or colonels back in Yugoslavia. One even said his father ran the stables for King Peter II.

They all love Australian welfare and spend their days drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes whilst bagging out how rubbish Australia is and how its people are dumb.

Wow !