"Chinese State Media Says After Afghanistan The U.S. Will" Topic

… Also Abandon Taiwan

"The Global Times, a tabloid controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, warned Taiwan on Monday it could face the same fate as Afghanistan if it continued relying on the United States as an ally.

The paper's editorial began by describing how the U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan caused the Taliban's forces to quickly seize control in what it deemed "a heavy blow to the credibility and reliability of the U.S."

The Times then cited what it called similar situations, such as the fall of Saigon during the end of the Vietnam War in 1975 when the U.S. evacuated its citizens from the city…"

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Armand

It's certainly what I would say, if I were the CCP.

Sadly, I fear they are correct, since 10,000+ Americans have apparently been abandoned in Afghanistan.

If the government won't even protect its own citizens, how likely is it that others from Taiwan, or other nations will be protected?

Apparently Chinese are chumming it up big time with Taliban because they want to help exploit Afghanistan's vast lithium reserves.

I'm sorry for the Afghans, truly I am, especially the women who have found that their brothers, fathers, husbands and sons are unwilling to fight to protect them.

But the reality is that Taiwan is actually important to the West for economic and technological manufacturing reasons and Afghanistan is not – thats the difference. Afghanistan is only important to the West in that it has harboured terrorists who struck at us and also that it supplys the base crop for drugs that subvert our young people. If we can find a way to neutralise those 2 issues then we wont be concerned further. But Taiwan and its technology manufacturing base we have to defend.

I agree, ns99, but doubt that will make a difference to those in charge, especially since some are very weak on holding China to account for ALL of their numerous misdeeds, thefts, and attacks (cyber and flooding our country with fatal drugs thus far).

Might be a good and lucrative time for US companies to set up domestic chip production again here in the USA, since our overseas sources are at great risk.

Can we shoot the myth that Afghans don't want to fight for themselves in the head, please? Over 50,000 Afghans have died fighting the Taliban since the US invasion.

The collapse had less to do with their willingness to fight and more with the fact that Afghanistan isn't one nation but a hundred nations run by local strongmen. They all started to cut deals with one another and with corrupt government officials.

The poor saps fighting for a democratic Afghanistan never had a chance and now many of them have been shot while those wives and daughters they fought to defend are being raped, tortured or killed. Let's not insult them further by claiming their husbands refused to fight for them, ok? They did, and paid the price when their leaders sold them out.

Can we shoot the myth that Afghans don't want to fight for themselves in the head, please? Over 50,000 Afghans have died fighting the Taliban since the US invasion.

All that proves is they were willing to fight for a colonial master who underpinned them with considerable combat support as well as dollars.

And as soon as that colonial master left most of the Afghan military dissipated and let the fundamentalists take over.

Same happened during the Soviet era – indeed people like Dostum made their names as pro-Soviet army officers.

Colonial master? What country was that? I don't recall any country claiming the right to rule Afghanistan. I don't remember seeing stories about the massive amount of resources and raw materials flowing out of Afghanistan to some colonial power. I do recall large amounts of blood and treasure spent by America and her allies to try and give the Afghanis the chance to run their own lives. What did I miss?

US was a defacto colonial ruler for 20 years. There was a puppet government installed but all key policy from economic development to infrastructure to foreign policy to defence was controlled by US.

And note most (not all) colonies were economic losses back in the 19th century that cost more to maintain than the output they produced (especially African ones).

And an area where Afghanistan was profitable in a colonial sense was that whilst it was unprofitable and costly for the colonial master (USA) it was very lucrative for certain US business enterprises (eg weapons suppliers).

The US fighting for democracy in Afghanistan? Try again.
"Minerals in Afghanistan worth $1 USD trillion, U.S. says"
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Also let's not forget that more than $2 USD trillion dollars of US taxpayer money was thrown at the MiC (much of it borrowed so look forward to trillions of dollars of interest). $300 USD million dollars per day. Every day. For two decades. Or $50,000 USD for each of Afghanistan's 40 million people. Remember that when people say public healthcare/education/etc. (or whatever would improve the average American life) is too expensive.

Thanks for the belly laugh today. The false narratives being posted here are truly astounding, and nonsensical.

since 10,000+ Americans have apparently been abandoned in Afghanistan.

This is unbelievable, IMO … if I say anymore … I'd be DH'd …However, I think one way or another we[the military] will get them out.

Chinese are chumming it up big time with Taliban because they want to help exploit Afghanistan's vast lithium reserves.

I would say that is almost a 99% probability …

This is a perfect time for the PRC/CCP to do & say anything they want. Regardless of the "truth" …

I strongly believe that the Chinese will have as easy a time controlling Afghanistan as did the Soviets and ourselves.

I really hope that will be true … But I think if that occurs. The PRC/CCP will be much more "draconian" than even the [former]USSR. Someone should just ask a Uyghur if anyone can find one ?

We will have to wait and see …

John, Legion,

I don't think the Chinese will control Afghanistan. They don't operate that way.

The whole thing will be a commercial operation with lots of cash to relevant warlords and politicians to keep the peace in the areas the mining is occurring.

The mining operations will be purely Chinese affairs with Chinese labour living in self contained little strongholds.

It's how they operate in Asia, Europe (yep – this is happening in Eastern Europe where Chinese labourers live in camps to work on projects run by Chinese companies and sometimes based on tenders run and funded by EU eg Peljesevac Bridge in Croatia) and Africa and even Australia.

In Australia China has been getting concessions to be able to import its own labour to Australia without "testing Australian labour market" first for projects over $150 USD million (which is a drop in the ocean for most projects).

Even for projects under $150 USD million the testing requirements are low – literally you only have to advertise the jobs locally for 4 weeks (no obligation to hire) and you can then import as much labour as you want.

The whole thing will be a commercial operation with lots of cash to relevant warlords and politicians to keep the peace in the areas the mining is occurring.

The mining operations will be purely Chinese affairs with Chinese labour living in self contained little strongholds.

Sounds about right … and the PRC/CCP will get richer …

"The US fighting for democracy in Afghanistan? Try again.
"Minerals in Afghanistan worth $1 USD USD trillion, U.S. says".

Yea, just like ALL that free, or highly discounted oil we got out of Iraq too, in the past couple of wars and occupations there, eh???

Oh, wait, NOT a gallon, or barrel of that ever reached US shores, IIRC.

I would like to point out that we haven't gotten any rare earth metals out of Afghanistan either, sadly, though it does seem from what I'm reading that the Chinese are poised to do so.

A pity the USA doesn't seem to have leaders and businessmen sharp enough to beat our adversaries in these "deals" the Chinese are setting up around the globe.

All the while, people are falsely accusing the USA of "colonialism" and yet we always seem to pay a hefty price in our overseas adventures, e.g. BILLIONS and TRILLIONS, and never recouping ANY of that in the process, in spite of numerous false narratives to the contrary.

I never read any concerns about Chinese "colonialism", and very little real concern about ALL their intellectual property theft and corruption.

Apparently our "guy in charge" just announced the USA would defend Taiwan, AND of course, his cabinet quickly had to conduct damage control and say that our policy towards Taiwan and China has NOT changed. LOL

Sad for the Taiwanese, but predictable.

Taiwan may be collateral damage of the current leadership …
Which is just fine with the PRC/CCP.

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Armand

8 LCS (Little Crappy Ships) – OMG I'm sure the Chinese are quivering. No doubt they will scuttle their whole navy and surrender to Washington. China will beg to become a US protectorate and hopeful maybe Uncle Sam make them the 51st state if they behave.

Again … the USA looks very weak after what is and will happen in A'stan.

The wolves as circling their prey. Taiwan will probably be a write off. If China thinks they have the assets they should act soon. USA won't always have weak, poor leadership …

Glup!.

Armand

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Armand

No surprise … I'd expect one day when I drive to the Y, all the signs will be in Chinese.