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Mister Tibbles30 Jul 2021 5:18 p.m. PST

I like the Rampant series of rules and was wondering if there is a sci-fi version coming out in the near future?

jwebster Supporting Member of TMP30 Jul 2021 5:43 p.m. PST

Well, Stargrave just came out …

Seriously – what would you look for in a Science Fiction set of rules ?

I have Stargrave and it looks good – crew painting and scenery is underway, but although I never played Frostgrave or it's friends, it does seem a bit generic, with "high tech" replacing magic.


Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Jul 2021 6:35 p.m. PST

Use Dragon Rampant with Sci Fi figures

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP30 Jul 2021 7:08 p.m. PST

I'm with EC on this one. If there ever is an SF version, you'll be pretty close.

jwebster, when it comes to SF rules, generic is your friend. Do you really want different incompatible rules for your Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, Babylon 5 and Blake's 7 figures? That's a bookshelf.

I'd say only "sword and planet" SF is potentially different enough, and dearly as I love it myself, it's dead.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian30 Jul 2021 7:34 p.m. PST

Look for Xenos Rampant on FB

John Leahy30 Jul 2021 8:19 p.m. PST

There has been talk about it. Osprey has the rules being worked on and likely to be completed by 2022. New HB version of Lion Rampant at 168 pages (I believe) will probably be released 1st.



Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2021 6:24 a.m. PST

The 1st of what??

John Leahy01 Aug 2021 5:22 a.m. PST

Before the sci-fi version.

andresf01 Aug 2021 1:28 p.m. PST

New version of Lion Rampant? Interesting. I suppose it will add the improvements from Dragon Rampant in a more pseudo historical medieval setting. Do we now anything else about the content in those extra pages?

andresf01 Aug 2021 1:32 p.m. PST

> jwebster, when it comes to SF rules, generic is your friend. Do you really want different incompatible rules for your Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, Babylon 5 and Blake's 7 figures? That's a bookshelf.

Robert, I think jwebster means "generic" as in "not distinct enough from the fantasy version of the rules, Frostgrave". This is a frequent concern about Stargrave, and why I haven't bought it. I'm not interested in scifi as a mere re-skin of fantasy, with blasters replacing arrows and lightsabers replacing katanas. Also, if you already own Frostgrave, I worry it'll feel samey switching to scifi and using the same core rules -- I want a different feel!

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2021 5:38 p.m. PST

andresf, I'm not sure there IS a way to do SF using the basic Mersey mechanics and make it seriously distinct from fantasy, because--speaking from watching SF on TV since before classic Trek--it really isn't tactically distinguishable. What weapons can you think of which aren't accounted for by some existing Mersey rule?

Personally, I'm still looking for a good SF skirmish set--something suitable for rescues, kidnappings and general seizure of the Maguffin. Thinking maybe Stargrave will work, and the resemblance to Frostgrave won't bother me because I play fantasy at a slightly higher level with Dragon Rampant.

Grimmnar07 Aug 2021 7:27 a.m. PST

Xenos Rampant
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andresf08 Aug 2021 12:40 p.m. PST

Robert: if you don't already own Frostgrave, then I agree Stargrave makes much more sense. I enjoy Joseph McCullough's games, I just don't want to play the same game over different themes and settings… and certainly not buy it again.

I also agree Mersey's mechanics, good as they are, are not suitable for scifi. Not looking forward to Xenos Rampant, personally. I could be surprised though!

I disagree about scifi and fantasy being a good fit for the same core mechanics. Even real world eras in warfare aren't -- medieval warfare and WW2's look nothing alike (and WW2's looks increasingly different from modern warfare, too).

This is one of the reasons why, while I admire Neil Thomas' One Hour Wargame's goals, I remain unconvinced about using the same ruleset with minor variations for dark ages, pike & shot and napoleonics. (It's also telling he had to switch to different rules for WW2!)

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