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Baranovich29 Jul 2021 9:08 a.m. PST

This one kind of made me chuckle.

With the whole issue of game/ground scale and the footprint that a building would occupy on the table in terms of actual distance and length, etc.

I don't know how Sarissa Precision scales their buildings or what process they go through but I discovered something that may be of interest to you.

Warlord Games included buildings with their starter sets that are supposed to be compatible with their Epic scale minis. and rules. You can also buy the same buildings separately on their website.

Well, I guess that Sarissa made those buildings with the intention of them being "15mm"erish? Or slightly under? Not exactly sure but I made a startling discovery when putting the Hovels Civil War buildings next to Sarissa's.

The Sarissa buildings are huge. Compared to the Hovels they almost darn near feel like they're 18mmerish.

Hovels by contrast are most certainly true 15mm and perhaps even a shade under, and are very much compatible with Kallistra's 12mm miniatures.

When you put Sarissa's buildings next to Warlord's minis. it kind of works but feels just ever so slightly off. But when you put Kallistra's minis. next to Sarissa's buildings it is painfully out of whack. The soldiers look like Halflings dressed in Civil War uniforms.

But in terms of the footprints of the buildings for the purpose of ground scale, it sure seems to me that the Sarissa stuff that Warlord is selling gives WAY too big of a footprint for the 13.5mm scale of the game. It feels like Hovels' footprints are much more in line with the ground scale of the Black Powder rules.

I will be posting some pictures here later on today to show what I'm talking about.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 12:44 p.m. PST

I have no idea what ground scale 13.5mm means.

In my games ground scale has nothing to do with figure scale.

What id the basing for Warlord's game?

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 3:45 p.m. PST

LOL -- 15mm vs 18mm -- 3 mm -- even on doors ???!!!
I have to go watch paint dry now.

Russ Dunaeay

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 5:48 p.m. PST


Real men watch erosion.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian29 Jul 2021 6:53 p.m. PST

Tectonic movement for the pros

Baranovich29 Jul 2021 7:02 p.m. PST

What I mean is, I made another post a couple months ago about Hovels being compatible with the Epic scale minis. even though the buildings are 15mm.

Someone remarked that they thought Hovels 15mm buildings would have too big of a footprint for games with Warlord's basing. They were assuming that Hovels buildings were bigger than Sarissa's.

I'm merely reporting that Hovels 15mm scale buildings are actually SMALLER than Sarissa's buildings, even though Sarissa's is what Warlord is supplying to be used with their Black Powder rules.

Seems to me that since that's the case, Hovels 15mm would actually work better with Epic scale Black Powder than Sarissa's buildings would.

My main point is that it would seem that Sarissa's buildings would be too large for Epic Scale Black Powder rules.

gavandjosh0229 Jul 2021 8:12 p.m. PST

thanks for posting – useful info for me.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP30 Jul 2021 3:22 a.m. PST

Would love to see the promised images.

Bohdan Khmelnytskij31 Jul 2021 6:32 a.m. PST

Some still sells Hovels?

Black Hat Miniatures02 Aug 2021 4:24 a.m. PST

Hovels buildings have always been smaller in footprint than their scale height. They are deliberately produced for mass battle games rather than skirmishing as was the fashion when they were made.

It seems to be MDF producers who started producing buildings with the correct ground scale which makes them far too large for most tables…

General Kirchner23 Nov 2021 12:35 p.m. PST

i noticed the sarissa stuff was way too big for the scale of the epic battles from the first picture of it.

if you play 5 bases to a regiment scale like they provide and play regimental style games, its still too big.

if you use them to play brigade level like F&F they are way too big and forget altar of freedom which is even more of a compression ground scale wise.

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