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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2021 7:27 p.m. PST

I have quite a few 28mm artillery models, with ammo boxes on the carriages.
Should they be painted the same color as the carriages, or would they just be normal wood?
I saw someone's models on line and they were painted as plain wood. I've always painted mine as the carriages, but now I'm not so sure.

cavcrazy28 Jul 2021 7:42 p.m. PST

I paint mine the same color as the gun carriage.

rmaker28 Jul 2021 7:47 p.m. PST

Since the whole point of painting was to preserve the wood, I doubt they would be left unpainted. So same as carriages.

miniMo28 Jul 2021 7:55 p.m. PST

I suppose it might depend on how long they thought the ammo boxes would last. Gun carriages, you hope to keep for a long while and paint them. Ammo boxes might be more or less expendable.

historygamer28 Jul 2021 8:12 p.m. PST

Google pictures of the recreated artillery train at Fort Ligonier.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 3:14 a.m. PST

They would be the same color as the gun carriages.

Red Jacket Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 4:23 a.m. PST

They were the same color as the carriage on an example at the Woolwich Artillery Museum, when I was there several years ago. Do they remain on the carriage when being fired? I never thought of that before.

historygamer29 Jul 2021 5:24 a.m. PST

They are taken off and removed to the rear of the gun, as they contain ammunition. The person commanding calls for advancing the round and the ammunition is removed from the box and brought forward. The lid is immediately shut to protect against sparks.

My question about the boxes is, what color was the cloth covering the top painted? I have seem both the same grey as the carriage, oxide red, like many of the wagon covers (seen grey there too), and white for the natural linen.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 8:11 a.m. PST

In the French artillery arm, the ready use ammunition in the coffret, that was carried when the company was moving, between the cheeks of the gun carriage, was moved and placed on the limber during action. The ammunition used from the coffret was replaced from the caisson.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 8:22 a.m. PST

That it makes it slightly annoying then, that the boxes are usually cast with the carriages. Both for accuracy when the gun is "firing", and it means I can't make a nice little diorama on the artillery base.

cavcrazy29 Jul 2021 8:52 a.m. PST

But you can make a nice diorama using ammo carts can't you?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 9:39 a.m. PST

True. grin

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2021 11:34 a.m. PST

Don't know about the 1812 unpleasantness but in the War of Southern Succession the limber boxes had copper covered tops to guard against sparks.

historygamer29 Jul 2021 11:44 a.m. PST

The AWI boxes were often covered with cloth (linen) and painted, and banded by copper around the edges to hold the material to the lid.

Major Bloodnok02 Aug 2021 4:42 a.m. PST

Where I work we built a replica 6pdr, on a Muller carriage, the cloth liners on the ammo boxes are painted the same colour as the carriage. The ironwork was all painted black. Interestingly when the side boxes are removed there are open compartments underneath.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2021 5:00 a.m. PST

It is invaluable to find and read the period artillery manuals, many of which have the line drawings of the different gun carriages, gun tubes, limber, etc., in the manual.

And the drawings are of very high quality. They were usually used in the design and production of the material.

historygamer02 Aug 2021 12:31 p.m. PST

Fort Pitt Museum?

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