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Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2021 9:40 p.m. PST

Looking for a map for 15mm Battalion scale Quatre Bras map.
Any assistance would be much appreciated.

pfmodel18 Jul 2021 10:30 p.m. PST

Try the SPI Quad Game. You can download the map from this site. link
Check the rules for scale, but i think each hex represents 400m – so depending on the rules you use adjust the size accordingly.

If the detail is not sufficient, then Ney v Wellington is a more detailed boardgame on the subject, with each counter representing a battalion.

Major Function19 Jul 2021 12:18 a.m. PST

Here is a link to a FB site which has a Quatre Bras scenario. The scale is 1" = 25m.

link

Cdr Luppo19 Jul 2021 6:47 a.m. PST

for a map about Quatre Bras with Battalion scale, try here :

link

in principle a map is included which is ok with Battalion scale for the GDW system 7 ..

some new maps for Quatre Bras have been made 5/8 years ago with a new take on terrain as accurate as possible .. hex and counters not figs .. i have somewhere copies in B&W ..

link

picture


best regards

Allan F Mountford19 Jul 2021 7:03 a.m. PST

A survey was carried out in October 1815 and a map generated – I know of no more accurate and contemporary map. You will need to scroll down and copy/paste the west and east sections together.
Link: link
I have looked at the Quatre Bras terrain in some detail for many years and concluded that the key topographical detail is the series of west to east ridgelines straddling the Brussels-Charleroi road. You also need to incorporate the effects on visibility on the high crops.
Good luck!

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP19 Jul 2021 10:33 a.m. PST

Thank you all for the links. This is great stuff. I really appreciate it. Major, I am not on FB and couldn't access the map. Thanks!

Prince of Essling20 Jul 2021 2:10 p.m. PST

The stitched together contour map:

picture

Allan F Mountford21 Jul 2021 12:20 a.m. PST

@Prince of Essling
Thanks for posting!
The map dimensions are approximately 4300 yards x 4300 yards (36" x 36" at Age of Eagles scale).

Prince of Essling21 Jul 2021 4:57 a.m. PST

S&T Magazine on Ney v Wellington (Quatre Bras) on Internet Archive with game map etc at PDF link

Allan F Mountford21 Jul 2021 10:16 a.m. PST

@Prince of Essling
I am amazed at the resources so freely available. The link in pfmodels posting, above, has dozens of complete SPI games: rules, counters and maps. Does no-one have any interest in copyright?

Prince of Essling22 Jul 2021 4:25 a.m. PST

@Allan,

Indeed, so am I.

Good question Ė from my quick reading of Wiki articles:

SPI tried to expand its customer base with Lorimar Productions to produce the Dallas role-playing game based on the soap opera Dallas in 1980. The game proved to be an infamous failure, and Simonsen later remarked that the 80,000 copies printed were 79,999 too many.

SPI had shopped for venture capital providers to take advantage of the perceived expansion of the gaming market in the late 1970s. When the expansion did not deliver the expected higher profits, only higher sales, the money needed to be returned. First efforts led to discussions with Avalon Hill to merge with or acquire SPI, but that did not materialize, partially due to the increasing losses in cash for SPI thanks to the increases in costs from inflation and the decreases in revenue. AH did purchase five of SPI's titles, which helped with operational costs. However, more money was needed.

SPI negotiated a promissory note loan (at the time mentioned as $225,000 USD but here listed as $400,000 USD from TSR (the publishers of Dungeons & Dragons). The note was guaranteed by SPI's assets. SPI used the cash to pay their venture capitalists, and were broke but happy. However, less than two weeks later, TSR called in the note. SPI, with no cash available and no options to get the cash, were forced to give over their inventory stock to TSR in early 1982, and were effectively out of business. TSR originally claimed they acquired SPI, but as that would mean they also would be responsible for their debts, quickly changed that statement. Thus, SPI's assetsóbut not its debts and liabilitiesówere acquired by TSR in 1983.

With the quick collapse of the wargame market in the early 1980s, TSR published fewer and fewer simulation games and eventually all the magazines (except for Strategy & Tactics) were discontinued. TSR sold S&T's rights to 3W Inc (also known as World Wide Wargames) in 1987. 3W published the magazine from #112 (June, 1987) to #139; after 3W's Keith Poulter got out of the business, Strategy & Tactics was sold to Decision Games.

In 1982, Avalon Hill hired several ex-SPI staffers to set up Victory Games Incorporated, a wholly owned subsidiary. The subsidiary was disbanded in 1989.

Decision Games, a California company founded in 1988, now has the rights to most of the SPI backlist. [However there are no clues as to what is or is not included.]. List of articles at link

All the best

Ian

pfmodel23 Jul 2021 12:11 a.m. PST

I must admit i was also surprised at the content. I actually own all those games, including Dallas and many more. I mainly use it when i think i have lost a counter and want to verify if that is the case. Its not really that useful to play a game, you still need to buy a copy and apart from a few of these titles, none are available for purchase.

I must admit having used some of the map to create figure gaming playing areas. Its not easy and requires making custom made mdf terrain pieces, but it does give me a good effect. This video outlines some of the terrain differences between figure gaming and boardgaming which i noticed, it shows some of the templates i created.
youtu.be/dhoOVHQ2eDw

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