"It wasn't the Achaeans ..." Topic

Good morning all,

I saw a very interesting German documentary … It wouldn't be the Achaeans who destroyed Troy but the Seapeoples …?

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Although there have certainly been Achaean colonies in Asia at the time of Troy.

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According to what I have read in a couple of well-sourced books within the past 5 years, The Achaeans and Sea Peoples are one and the same. The Mycenaeans are another name for the same group of Greek seafaring raiders that attacked the Greek, Ionian and even Egyptian and Canaanite coasts. The raids were their livelyhood.

Bit like Mediterranean Vikings…

Mostly traders I think but with a sideline in piracy and an eye for the main chance when a larger prize could be had by raiding and/or invasion.

They seem to have traded throughout the eastern Med as well as the Black Sea coasts & rivers.

From what I, too, have read in a few well-researched books over the past decades, is that the Achaeans and the Seapeopleare not one and the same.

The Achaeans or Mycenaeans of Asia have another name for those who were part of the seapeoples (Ekwesh) and those who attacked the Greek, Ionian and even Egyptian and Canaanite coasts are not Achaeans or Mycenaeans of continental Europe but those who are call the Seapeoples of which the Ekwesh were part.

Moreover, the Ekwesh appear to be very different in appearance from the Achaeans / Mycenaeans of continental Europe.

Paskal,

I would love to know the books that you are reading so that I can also read them. Since I just moved, all of my books are still in boxes, and unpacking my wife's boxes remain the priority.

Jeff

I am NOT learned in this, but, MY own 'take' is that the 'Ekwesh / Sea Peoples', were just that. ANY People with Boats.
Sometimes traders, sometimes pirates /slavers… and maybe sometimes 'organised' into a 'confederacy' for a 'Big Op'! Or as Mercs.
Think how Angles, Jutes, Fresians, and Saxons… are 'lumped' together as 'Saxons'.
Or the various Danish, Swedes, Norwegians are collectivised as 'Norseman' or 'Vikings'

And, of course, 'Vikings' ALWAYS wore bloody stupid 'Horned Helmets'. as Did the 'Sea Peoples' in Egyptian 'journalism'!

Big time period and very little of what could be termed as 'accurate' sources. But, if raiders from Greece were NOT part of 'The Sea Peoples'… just WHO 'could' they have been?

Rather think that anyone's 'Take' on the period… 'scholar' or 'unlearned', is whatever they choose to think. So feel free… just go easy on the 'Horned Helmets'!

And I have so many books that I have not read them all yet and that, although all tidy, I do not know too well which ones I have and that I read and so I have to be careful not to have them. buy duplicate.

But what I remember is that the Achaeans are not part of the Seapeoples.

The Achaeans or Mycenaeans of Asia have another name for those who were part of the Seapeoples or who joined them?

The Ekwesh?

But those who attacked the Greek, Ionian and even Egyptian and Canaanite coasts were not Achaeans or Mycenaeans from continental Europe, but those called the Seapeuples of which the Ekwesh were a part.

And from memory, the Ekwesh seem to be very different in appearance from the Achaeans / Mycenaeans of mainland Europe.

Probably from Atlantis. After all, you have eliminated the vast majority of seafaring cultures known at the time so who else is left ?

The Mycenaean Palace Culture was one of the casualties of the Sea Peoples rampage along with everyone down the Western coast to Egypt which was badly hurt in defeating them.

GildasFacit, it was the Achaeans who destroyed Troy and not the seapoples …
And as written barcah2001, thereafter after the destruction of Troy "The Mycenaean Palace Culture was one of the casualties of the Sea Peoples rampage along with everyone down the Western coast to Egypt which was badly hurt in defeating them".

I think barcah means the Minoan palace culture.

Pascal : I never even mentioned Troy and I do know basic historical facts.

If you deny what others think most likely then you need to come up with alternatives that are equally feasible. So far all you have done is keep repeating Ekwesh like some mantra.

No, I do mean the Mycenaean. It was destroyed at the same time as the Hittite and Levant cultures. All major cities were destroyed and sacked inGreece and along the coast within a relatively short period. The Minoan were first devastated by the volcanic explosion which destroyed their fleet and left them open to Mycenaean raids. A dark age descended over the Eastern Mediterranean and Egypt barely survived.

Sorry about my false assumption Barach but I thought that current thinking puts the abandonment of the Mycenean cities over a longer timescale and that the Minoan culture was already in decline before Thera erupted.

Just goes to show there is still a wide range of thinking about what happened in this era.

Tune in next year at this time and there maybe new and improved theories. What is fascinating is the number of times in history established, stable economic/social/political systems are suddenly destroyed by a completely unexpected source

In any case, it was not the Seapeoples who destroyed Troy.

I agree. Read the book, watched Brad Pitt destroy the city.

It wasn't Brad Pitt who destroyed the city of Troy either.It must be said around you!

Ah, you're right, it was Sean Bean in that neat wooden horse!

This may ultimately beg more questions but does provide some information.

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I think the perceived belief in sensationalism of "documentaries" on television makes them as accurate as those on Atlantis and ufos.