"Dragon Rampant: Removing Units from an Unsuccessful Rally" Topic
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codiver | 18 Jun 2021 5:10 a.m. PST |
The Dragon Rampant forum isn't very active, so figured I'd ask this here. My buddy and I have a disagreement… On page 27 under RALLY BATTERED UNITS it says "A Battered unit will rally (remove its Battered marker) if it successfully passes a Courage test:", then it says "If the test is unsuccessful, the unit retains its Battered marker, loses one additional Strength Point, retreats, and takes no further action during your activation phase. It will be at a disadvantage if attacked while Battered. Failed Rally tests do not end your activation phase." On page 37 under FAILING A COURAGE TEST it says "If you've failed a Courage test and your final score is 0 or a negative number, your unit loses heart completely and flees the table in rout. Remove it immediately." My buddy's opinion is that since it doesn't say anything about removal under RALLY BATTERED UNITS, you don't remove a unit if it fails trying to rally with a result less than or equal to 0. My opinion is that all Courage tests are the same, so failing a Courage test to rally with a result less than or equal to 0 results in the removal of the unit. Who's right? Is there a FAQ that might cover this? Thanks, Dave |
Extra Crispy | 18 Jun 2021 6:59 a.m. PST |
We have always played it as Rallying having a different procedure than a Courage test. So yes, you can be removed due to a Courage test, but not a rally. The QRS from Osprey supports this – the two procedures are the same but yield different possible outcomes: link |
codiver | 18 Jun 2021 7:16 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the response! That's interesting. I had not noticed, or at least it did not register, there was that distinction on the QRS. After a search of the rules pdf, I note the term "Rally Test" is actually used. However, I guess I do think it would have been made much more clear stating a Rally Test uses the Courage Test procedure, except the possible outcomes, rather than to rally a unit has to pass a Courage Test. Frankly I'm surprised. I really thought my buddy was off base… |
79thPA | 18 Jun 2021 10:06 a.m. PST |
I don't have the rules but, based on what you posted, I support your friend as they appear to be two different actions. |
GamesPoet | 18 Jun 2021 1:51 p.m. PST |
I have been playing Lion Rampant often, which is very similar to Dragon Rampant, and concur with the above viewpoints provided, the two situations are handled differently, even though rolled for using the same attribute. |
codiver | 26 Jun 2021 7:53 a.m. PST |
Thanks to those who responded. I did finally get a reply on the DR forum a couple of days ago. It's important to note it is not from the author, so it is really no more authoritative. However, the person did point out something I missed, at least explicitly, in the stating of my opinion on the matter: on page 27 under RALLY BATTERED UNITS, where it says to take a Courage test, but doesn't actually say you remove units (my buddy's point), the last line in the section says: "See the section on Courage for how to make a Courage test and how to retreat; all of the modifiers and rules shown in the Courage section also apply to Rally tests." I agree with the person from the DR forum that this sentence means the failed Rally test with a result of <=0 means you do remove the unit. I was remiss in not noting this sentence in the basis for my opinion. |
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