"Fun And Interesting Facts About Michel Ordener (Gen)" Topic
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SHaT1984 | 14 Jun 2021 10:53 p.m. PST |
Weird the things you find when probing 'ther 'net eh? Care of ___tonsoffacts.com____ link Nevertheless, contains Rigo plate and som, umm yes, Interesting Facts… He was aged 50 at Austerlitz! One of the oldest officers in action with the army. More later… redards dave |
MarbotsChasseurs | 15 Jun 2021 3:07 a.m. PST |
His son was promoted quickly at a young age to Colonel. Interesting article. Thanks Dave.
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Brechtel198 | 15 Jun 2021 4:03 a.m. PST |
Michel Ordener was the officer who commanded the cross-border foray of gendarmes and dragoons to scoop up d'Enghien. |
SHaT1984 | 16 Jun 2021 4:11 a.m. PST |
Redoing my 'vanity figures/ units slowly, I'm adding such 'personalities' as I can, and that includes their GBD commandant and etat-major where appropriate. In the case for his regiment, I've only lightly refurbed 4 men in the original figure makers uniforms, as they are at least correct I believe (via Rousellot etc.) for the earlier Garde Consulaire**. The remainder are being 'hard refurbed' to correct deficiencies etc. with additional officers, trompettes and deux 'Aigles'. And his son was transferred to him as Lieutenant-ADC for 1805. Anyone know of others? ** [Not that a Bonaparte unit appeared in the midst of the Armée du Rhin 1799~]. More at:: link The English version wiki contans some garbage like "At the Battle of Austerlitz, he led a decisive and energetic charge…. this was the charge that pushed the Russians onto the ice…" so isn't terribly reliable. The man was knocked senseless in the fight with the countercharge of the Russian Guard and judging by his following 'promotion' and retirement from military functions, probably suffered his umpteenth concussion and (supposition) dies of a brain aneurysm 6 years later. (He'd been cited as receiving a number of sabre-cuts to the head in combat). This is hardly better, but seems to have more detail:: de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Michel_Ordener cheers d |
Brechtel198 | 16 Jun 2021 4:38 a.m. PST |
An excellent volume to research General Ordener's record is George Six's Encyclopedia on French general officers of the period. Michel, Comte Ordener (1755-1811) was a trooper in the Dragoons of the Legion Conde in January 1773. He was promoted to corporal (brigadier) in November 1776. He was assigned to the Dragoons de Boufflers in December and then to the Chasseurs de Franche-Comte (which became the 4th Chasseurs a Cheval in 1791. He was promoted to marechal des logis in September 1785, and then to adjutant in May 1787. He was promoted to sous-lieutenant in the 10th Chasseurs a Cheval in January 1792 and then to lieutenant in May. He served in the armies of the Rhine and Moselle from 1792-1795. Assigned to the Armee d'Italie from 1796-1798 he served at Lodi. He was promoted to chef de brigade in the 10th Cavalry in September 1796. He saw service in the Armee d'Helvetie in 1799. In August of that year he was badly wounded being shot three times, suffering 8 sabre wounds, and one wound from a cannon shot. He was recovered enough by September to serve under Soult at the passage of the Linth. In 1800 he was in the Armee du Rhin and under Leclerc was at the capture of Landshut at the end of June. In July 1800 he was promoted to commandant of the Grenadiers a Cheval of the Consular Guard. In August 1803 he was promoted to general of brigade commandant of the Grenadiers a Cheval. He was assigned by Berthier in March 1804 to command the cross-border mission to capture the Duc d'Enghien in Ettenheim, Baden. He was made a commandant of the Legion of Honor in June 1804 and served at the camp of Boulogne. He was assigned as the commander of the Imperial Guard Cavalry in August 1805 and was seriously wounded at Austerlitz. He was promoted to general of division in December 1805. Because of his many serious wounds, he retired from active service and was made a Senator in May 1806. He was made the premier ecuyer for the Empress Josephine as well as a count of the Empire in December 1808. He was assigned as the governor of the Palace of Compiegne in 1809. |
korsun0 | 17 Jun 2021 4:34 a.m. PST |
"he was badly wounded being shot three times, suffering 8 sabre wounds, and one wound from a cannon shot." I don't know but wouldn't the other 11 wounds be inconsequential if one was hit by a cannon shot???? A remarkable list of injuries… |
MarbotsChasseurs | 17 Jun 2021 5:31 a.m. PST |
Korsuno, One would assume that any wound from a cannonball would knock someone out of the war for a long time (I would be done for sure!), but it seems pretty common in service records that multiple officers and men were wounded in this way and kept fighting. Tough bunch back then. Michael |
Brechtel198 | 17 Jun 2021 1:38 p.m. PST |
An artillery round that passed close to a soldier could injure him. Oudinot was wounded at least once (out of thirty-four times) by an artillery round. General Packenham at New Orleans in 1815 was hit by canister. |
korsun0 | 20 Jun 2021 5:50 a.m. PST |
I see cannonball and think of this! link |
Brechtel198 | 20 Jun 2021 6:26 a.m. PST |
You don't have to be hit catastrophically by a roundshot to be wounded by it. Further, you can also be hit by a canister ball… |
MarbotsChasseurs | 21 Jun 2021 11:06 a.m. PST |
Brechtel98 you are corret. Here is an officer from the 12e Legere shot in the head by a canister ball at the Siege of Danzig on 16 May 1807. He survived and fought in Spain.
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SHaT1984 | 22 Jun 2021 9:25 p.m. PST |
Continuing the tangents emerging: Daumesnil was released from prison and rejoined the Guides in time to serve at the Battle of Abukir in July of 1799. During the battle, he was near General Bonaparte who had climbed atop an artillery piece and was watching enemy movements through his telescope. Daumesnil noticed a Turkish battery preparing to aim at them and he quickly grabbed Napoleon, lifting him off the cannon and carrying him a safe distance away with the simple statement of, "Excuse me, my general!" Just a moment later an artillery officer climbed atop the same cannon, only to be struck down immediately by an enemy bullet. Later during the same battle, as Murat's cavalry encountered significant resistance, Napoleon ordered Bessières into battle with the Guides, and Daumesnil again distinguished himself, seizing a flag of Captain Pasha. When Napoleon decided to leave the army and return to France, Daumesnil was one of the select few to accompany him.
Source: link Frenchempire.net >Biographies Reason: Apart from saving Bonapartes life several times during the Revolutionary period; he also saved Rapp from events during the charge of the Chasseurs @ Austerlitz. Ironically he to had to be saved from Spanish insurgents in 1809 by a mameluke.
**His friend Bessières noted that "the Emperor is convinced that Daumesnil brings him good luck."5- Edward Ryan, Napoleon's Shield and Guardian: The Unconquerable General Daumesnil, (London: Greenhill Books, 2003). Refer above for the full story. A truly remarkable man… not as an ADC but I'll place him on GDV Rapps command base (anyone know who his real ADCs were?) in honour of the event. He was squadron commander of the two Rapp led in the countercharge. ~d |
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