"Baden Flags 1809" Topic

I am trying to paint a flag for the Baden Kronpinz Regiment in 1809 but the information I have is rather contradictorily – I wonder if anyone can help? I believe that this regiment was numbered 2nd and had yellow facings. Various sources list the regiments flag as having a red field but some companies selling flags (and Warflags) show it as blue and there is also a flag with a yellow field but this is generally attributed to the 4th regiment who have (I believe white facings) – any help gratefully received.

My notes on the evolution of the regimental names of the Baden army (taken from various sources):

In 1803 Baden line infantry regiments comprised 2 Battalions of 4 companies (4 musketeer) & 1 grenadier each of 106 personnel. The grenadier companies were detached to form Grenadier Bataillon von Stetten.

October 1806 line infantry regiments comprised 2 Battalions of 4 musketeer companies, each of 116 personnel (10 schϋtzen).
Garrison (Garnison) regiments comprised 4 companies; each regiment was attached to an infantry regiment to act as its depot & garrison fortresses.

October 1808 each line infantry regiment absorbed its attached garrison regiment – a regiment now comprised 2 field battalions. Field battalions adopted the French standard 6 company organisation –1 grenadier, 1 voltigeur & 4 musketeer companies; with 140 personnel per company; regimental HQ 31 personnel. In May 1809 Musketeers were renamed Fusiliers.

In 1809 & 1812 each line infantry regiment formed a depot battalion of 4 fusilier companies.

Infantry:
Grenadier-Bataillon von Stetten (4 companies)
1806 October – became "Leib-Grenadier Garde" (5 companies)
1809 – 6 companies

Leib-Infanterie Regiment Kurfurst
1806 August – renamed "Grossherzog"
1808 June – became Leib-Infanterie Regiment Nr1 Grossherzog
1811 June – became Leib-Infanterie Regiment Nr1 vacant
1813 became Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr1 von Stockhorn

Linien-Infantrie-Regiment Erbprinz
1803 May – renamed "Kurprinz"
1806 August – renamed "Erbgrossherzog"
1808 June – became Linien-Infanterie Regiment Nr2 Erbgrossherzog
1811 June – became Linien-Infanterie Regiment Nr2 vacant
1813 became – Linien-Infanterie Regiment Nr3 Grossherzog

Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Markgraf Ludwig
1808 March – "vacant"
1808 July – became Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr4 vacant
1809 February – became Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr3 vacant
1810 renamed – Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr3 Markgraf Wilhelm von Hochberg
1813 became – Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr2 Markgraf Wilhelm von Hochberg

Linien-Infanterie-Regiment von Harrant (formed 1806)
1808 July – became Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr3 von Harrant
1809 February – became Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr4 von Harrant
1809 July – became Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr4 von Porbeck
1809 July – became Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr4 von Neuenstein

Jager Bataillon (formed August 1803 with 2 companies, 140 personnel each)
1806 October – named "von Bekke" (with 4 companies)
1807 March – 5 companies.
1809 ?? – 6 companies.
1810 January – renamed "von Lingg"

Garnison Regiment Nr1 von Lindheim (attached Grossherzog)
1807 June- became "von Haff"
1808 October – incorporated into Lieb-Infanterie Regiment Nr1 Grossherzog
Garnison Regiment Nr2 von Olzig (attached Erbgrossherzog)
1808 October – incorporated into Linien-Infanterie Regiment Nr2 Erbgrossherzog
Garnison Regiment Nr 3 von Roder (attached Markgraf Ludwig)
1808 April – became "vacant"
1808 October – incorporated into Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr4 vacant
Garnison Regiment Nr 4 von Biedenfeld (attached Harrant)
1808 October – incorporated into Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr3 von Harrant

Cavalry:
Garde du Corps (2 squadrons)

Husaren Eskadron (formed January 1803 with 114 personnel)
1806 October – became Husaren Regiment Markgraf Ludwig (4 squadrons)
1808 March – became "vacant"
1808 ?? – squadrons now had 135 personnel.
1808 October – renamed "von Geusau"
1812 December – depot squadron formed with 101 personnel.
1813 February – regiment dissolved & became cadre for Leichte-Dragoner Regiment Nr2 von Geusau

Leichte-Dragoner Eskadron (March 1803 – inherited from Bavaria on change of boundaries – 151 personnel)
1804 January – became Leichte-Dragoner Regiment (4 squadrons, each of 113 personnel)
1808 – 5th squadron formed to act as depot; squdron strength now 114 personnel.
1809 – November – became Leichte-Dragoner Regiment von Freystedt
1813 February – became Leichte-Dragoner Regiment Nr1 von Freystedt

Leichte-Dragoner Regiment Nr2 von Geusau (formedFebruary 1813 )

Artillery:
1 fuss kompagnie
1804 August – Artillerie Bataillon – 1st & 2nd fuss kompagnie
1806 November – Artillerie Bataillon – 1st Reitende kompagnie; 2nd & 3rd Fuss kompagnie (all with 6 x6pdr cannon & 2 x howitzer)
1811 April – Artillerie Bataillon – 1st Reitende kompagnie; 2nd, 3rd & 4th Fuss kompagnie

From Rawkins on flags:
The flags were of a common design and differed only by the colour for each regiment. The Regimenterfahne was white with a Maltese cross of regimental colour. This did not necessarily equate to the regimental facing colours as the
original flags were retain by their battalions when the regiments moved in the line seniority. The Leibfahne were the reverse, with the flag of the regimental colour and the Maltese cross white. The exception being the Linien-InfanterieRegiment Nr 1 ‘Grossherzog' (Formerly the Leibregiment) who carried a single pattern of flag presented to both battalions of scarlet with a yellow Maltese
cross.

The flags were approximately 150 cm square and were identical on both the obverse and reverse side. The centre was decorated with the yellow and red arms of Baden enclosed within a wreath in natural colours, and surmounted by
an Electoral crown in gold. The corners were each decorated with a gold, crowned CF cipher within a wreath in natural colours. The exception was the 3rd Regiment who received their flag in 1807 and the corner motifs and central
wreath were gold and the Electoral crown was replaced with a Grand Ducal crown. The outer edges of the Maltese cross were decorated with an inward facing gold grenade.

From 1808 to 1814 the regimental colours for the flags were:
1st Regiment – Scarlet;
2nd Regiment – Scarlet;
3rd Regiment – Dark Blue,
and 4th Regiment – Yellow.

Thank you – That seems to make sense!

No questions? Lol

I forgot to say:

In August 1808 the 1st Battalion of the 4th Infantry Regiment and the 2nd Battalion of the 3rd Infantry Regiment were brought together to form a new regiment for service in Spain which was initially known as the ‘Kombinierte-Regiment'. This new unit officially received the designation ‘Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr 4 and the two battalions remaining in Germany were retitled the Linien-Infanterie Regiment Nr 3. When they left for Spain the Kombinierte-Regiment Nr 4 was wearing the 1808 uniformrock coat with white facings for the 1st Battalion and poppy-red facings for the 2nd Battalion.

Facing colours for the regiments were:
1st Scarlet
2nd Yellow
3rd Poppy Red
4th White
Turnbacks were Scarlet. White metal buttons for 1st & 3rd; Brass for 2nd & 4th.

In 1810 the 3 regiment remaining in Germany all facings became scarlet, button colours as before. Note the lapels were no longer sewn back and were usually worn closed across the breast showing only the blue reverse side which was piped scarlet at the edges and had a double row of buttons.

The regiment in Spain was issued new French uniforms – dark blue with scarlet cuffs, collars, lapels, turnbacks & cuff flaps. Brass buttons. Elite companies wore epaulettes while the non-elite companies wore dark blue shoulder straps piped scarlet.

In early 1813, regimental colours on collar & cuffs were (turnbacks for all scarlet)
1st Rose Pink
2nd White
3rd Deep Yellow
4th White (note only adopted when returned from Spain in 1814, retained French uniform until then)
White metal buttons for 1st & 3rd; Brass for 2nd & 4th.

Thanks again.