"Portrait of Moreau (par Gerard}" Topic

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Undated- Presumably a Revolutionary scene, though the grey hair/ powdered?
Tents interesting too!
regards
d

Post-pigtail/queue. I can't quite work out what's going on with his hat.

this is a typical generals outlook of the Armée de Rhin, just a plain dark blue coat in contrast to pompous Buonaparte the generals dressed quite plain.

Was a plain Garde Chasseur officer's undress frock, or a grey greatcoat, particularly pompous?

look what Nabulieone did wear in 1796 – or 1798, then of course no Garde Impériale then.

>>Chasseur officer's undress frock,

Surely you mean surtout, to use its correct name and convention!?

>>I can't quite work out what's going on with his hat.

Well, queue or not, and thats a bit subjective, the chapeau seems to follow the insignia- I'd assume there's a white plume just out of sight. But if not, I'll go the other way- red was the colour of the revolution, and perhaps genereaux d'armée wore it plain like this/ the men, perhaps as vW notes, less pompous than populist.

We do know that the Armée de Rhin were seen as somewhat of a 'populist' threat to a certain career general don't we? So goes to follow that theses 'effects' may have been more visible than we can tell from here, 220+ years int the future…

My admiration and respect for Genl M. Moreau has grown over the years now that the bias is largely uncovered and indeed his abilities, exposed. In contrast to the vapid famboyisms I sometimes felt about N. And still see rampant.

I've gone as far as deciding my 1805 French in bicorne, can be retrograded to a token ''97/1800' force with specific command (flags etc.) stands made for them.

Thanks for looking, d

Surely you mean surtout, to use its correct name and convention!?

Quelle erreur! What was I thinking?

Well, queue or not, and thats a bit subjective

It was intended to be more of a query. For 'subjective'- please see above.

Meh, you got me. Thankfully I've never met an officer in a frock [nor want to I think…]

queues were still quite fashionable – here another general of the Armée de Rhin

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'frock': From circa mid-C18th in English usage describing a loose coat worn as part of a gentleman's informal hunting apparel; adapted to describe an officer's equivalent 'undress' coat, as opposed to 'regimental,' worn on field service.

I imagine you wouldn't want to meet an officer in undress either.

Thanks, Dave for the portrait!

If I might die in battle, I want to look my best. I would prefer a little more showy uniform.

Old football saying about uniforms. Look good, feel good, play good.

I like the Prussian way

Mehr sein als Schein

What were the uniform regulations for general officers ca 1800?

look what Nabulieone did wear in 1796 – or 1798

The regulation general officers' uniform?

this is a typical generals outlook of the Armée de Rhin, just a plain dark blue coat in contrast to pompous Buonaparte the generals dressed quite plain.

Wearing the regulation general officers' uniform is 'pompous?'

Marceau wore a version of a hussar uniform as a general. What would you refer to that as? It was a green hussar-style uniform that he personally designed. Generally speaking, generals could wear what they wanted…

On reading up, because I can't let it go… as so overlooked in historical writing (accuracy and relevance); the excellent 'Obscure Battles' site and commentary worthy of a true historian, Hohenlinden.

Interested to note that in 60,000 men only ONE demi-brigade legere appears; significantly way below the ratio given as 'normal' and given the significant broken terrain of the theatre.

Yet the line battalions are noted as defending, attacking or crossing woods and defiles as if they weren't there at all. Seems a 'real' French general didn't need legere??

And on another point- it was the 14eme demi-brigade legere. Is it a coincidence that this regiment was sent far away to Italy at some time and more or less 'exiled' on Corfu for a subsequent 5 years or so (I know Corfu was no picnic! meh).

Am I just succumbing to poisoned conspiracy theorists?
-d

Interested to note that in 60,000 men only ONE demi-brigade legere appears; significantly way below the ratio given as 'normal' and given the significant broken terrain of the theatre.

I agree not that many demi brigades d'infanterie légères but more than one.

Corps Lecourbe

Division Mollitor

1st light infantry, one battalion
10th light infantry, 2 battalions

Divison Gudin

10th light infantry – one batalion

Corps Moreau

Division Richepance

14th light Infantry, one battalion

Division Decauen

14th light Infantry, two battalions

One would have to check the regimental history of the 14th light infantry.

source

Schneider, Günter : Hohenlinden 1800 – die vergessene Schlacht

Another very usefull OdB is in Picard : Hohenlinden, please look at usefull stuff for links

Refer ==>>>>>>> TMP link ~ [Fr 1800] More on the Army of Rhine

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