Old Glory  | 10 Mar 2021 5:28 p.m. PST |
In most Alamo movies the Mexican shakos are depicted with a series of targets or circles on the tops.
Is there any historical references to this?
Either way, they look so cool that way. Russ Dunaway |
| Rudysnelson | 10 Mar 2021 5:38 p.m. PST |
The regiments collected for the Texas Revolution was a mixed bag of styles and headgears. Some units were pulled from a current rebellion in the south being conducted by local Indian tribes.
Knotel's uniform book clearly describes the top painted in national colors. However they did wear shake covers in some cases.
Some regional units are described as being in wide brimmed hats, sombrero? |
| Old Glory | 10 Mar 2021 6:06 p.m. PST |
I have read that the emblem on the top of the shako is quite controversial.
Is there any reference that it is an actual historical reference and not just Knotel?
Where would Knotel have gotten his references ? |
79thPA  | 10 Mar 2021 7:01 p.m. PST |
Joseph Hefter doesn't mention them in his work on The Mexican Soldier. |
| BrianW | 10 Mar 2021 8:32 p.m. PST |
There are some prints by an artist named Claude (or Claudio) Linati that show the 'target' on top of the shako. The general consensus is that there was stitching on the top of the shako that served as reinforcement, and Linati misinterpreted that as colored like a cockade.
link
shows an example of one of those prints. |
| Tango01 | 10 Mar 2021 8:54 p.m. PST |
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| rmaker | 10 Mar 2021 10:42 p.m. PST |
Linati mistook the regulation for the cockade on the front of the shako and incorporated it into the top. Unfortunately, since his work was a government publication, many movie companies were taken in by his error. |
| Ferd45231 | 11 Mar 2021 5:31 a.m. PST |
if it was good enough for Walt Disney its good enough for me. Stop messing up my childhood. Facts! Haruump!. H |
 The Virtual Armchair General | 11 Mar 2021 1:04 p.m. PST |
Exactly! It was Walt Disney who invented the "target topped" shako for beating Davey Crockett. Once that image was dumped in the sea, it has polluted many a shore since. TVAG |
| rvandusen | 11 Mar 2021 5:43 p.m. PST |
Invented by an artist named Claude Linati basing his info on the !821 Regulations. These shakos may have existed in 1821, but had disappeared by 1836. I cover this in my old pre-sickness blog. I need to continue this project someday.
link |
| Rudysnelson | 12 Mar 2021 10:48 a.m. PST |
Sorry TVAG but Knotel wrote about them long before Disney was around. |
| Old Glory | 12 Mar 2021 12:30 p.m. PST |
SO, nothing really historical to show where this concept of this came from. A couple artist renderings --so where did they get it from? Russ Dunaway |
goes beyond the straight line.
