"Japan no longer intercepting Chinese flights" Topic
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arealdeadone | 08 Mar 2021 7:03 p.m. PST |
In order to preserve the life of its remaining F-15s and given F-35 sucks as an interceptor, the JASDF is no longer performing intercepts of many Chinese aircraft incursions, The Chinese aircraft are monitored by Japanese AWACS and ground based radar. link
Interestingly this does make a Chinese strike on Japanese forces a lot easer and it also makes it necessary for Japanese to take up offensive action if any confrontation goes hot. Source Forbes. |
repaint | 08 Mar 2021 9:35 p.m. PST |
Haven't they increased their AA defenses with Patriot batteries? |
arealdeadone | 08 Mar 2021 10:28 p.m. PST |
Patriots can't reach that far over the sea due to range limitations (70 km). That leaves a lot of holes in the Japanese ADIZ – in fact it guts it completely in the north.
In any case missiles are for a shooting war, not air policing. Also I am not sold on Patriot capabilities. Despite having a very sophisticated AD system run by well trained western mercenaries, the Saudi Patriot based AD system has struggled and often completely failed to stop Houthi and Iranian missiles.
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USAFpilot | 09 Mar 2021 1:24 p.m. PST |
The idea of intercepting foreign military aircraft has me thinking, is it really that necessary anymore? In this age of satellites and advanced radar systems, we know where they are. They know that we know where they are. Let them waste their jet fuel. Any thoughts? |
Shagnasty | 09 Mar 2021 5:25 p.m. PST |
I still like the idea of "fronting" them, just to remind them we can. |
arealdeadone | 09 Mar 2021 5:51 p.m. PST |
Satelites don't work like that – you need a large number of them to maintain coverage over a single area as satelites don't linger over an area. Radar systems can pick up but not necessarily provide a picture of what is flying. They are often land based and limited range. The Japanese have no large over the horizon radar system to cover that much area (though China does as does Australia). Radars are limited in range – an AWACS is about 600 kms whereas the Japanese ADIZ is thousands of kms. They operate 17 AWACS but as you can see from the map I posted, Japanese ADIZ is huge and must cover potential threats from Russia, North Korea and China. So you need jets to vector in and identify the intruder. Remember that errant Malaysian airliner that went missing? It flew over several countries radar networks but once it was over the Gulf of Thailand radar emissions stopped especially as transponder stopped emitting. So if the Chinese aircraft don't have transponders on they will be harder to track by ground based and air based radars. EDIT USAFpilot no doubt you know much more about this than me given you were a C-141 pilot!
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USAFpilot | 09 Mar 2021 9:19 p.m. PST |
Yea, I guess I knew all that in the back of my brain somewhere, but I wouldn't say I know more than you. Your observations are well stated. I still think the Japanese are doing the right thing by not intercepting every Chinese fighter which penetrates their ADIZ. Let the Chinese guess, be unpredictable and save some were and tear on your equipment. Any major moves by the Chinese will likely be picked up by our intelligence networks; everything from satellites and comm signals to human intel. I think China will continue to play the long game while the West continues to weaken. A too sudden or strong a play by China may unite the rest of the remaining powers. |
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