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The Epic Gamer20 Feb 2021 4:08 p.m. PST

Does anyone know of any good source books for this? The illustrations here are good, but there's few exact dates or anything else to judge how accurate they are.

link

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP20 Feb 2021 8:10 p.m. PST

Most of the illustrations were done for the 2500 celebration of the Shah back in 1971

The Book they were in was part of the commemorative materials – but also the basis for the uniforms they used in their parade of their military history

YouTube link

In the book there are number of sources cited that were used in consultation for the preparation of the Safavid period:

Alam Ara-ye Abbasi
Safavid Miniatures Paintings
Accounts of European travelers
Account of M, R Beigs visit to the court of Louis XIV
The Shahnameh of Qasemi
Histories of the Period
Drawings by travelers
Safavid Coins

The Epic Gamer20 Feb 2021 8:58 p.m. PST

Thanks, any idea what the book looks like or is called?

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP20 Feb 2021 9:02 p.m. PST

link

I was lucky to get a copy when I lived there – but hard to find

Druzhina21 Feb 2021 4:19 a.m. PST
clibinarium23 Feb 2021 3:58 p.m. PST

I sculpted some Safavid figures during the lockdown, and relied mainly on the pictorial sources Druzhina cites. It's best to look at the original images where possible (and its not always possible).

Druzhina23 Feb 2021 9:04 p.m. PST
The Epic Gamer15 Mar 2021 4:53 p.m. PST

So thanks everyone for the links, but I've really been having a hard time nailing down what infantry from this period were armed with. There's some bits in George Gush's book that talks about Armenian archers and other levi in the early 1500s, replaced with by Abbas's janissary-like troops and qullar, but there's not much at all about how there for how these troops were armed/garbed.

Were early infantry armed with sword/shields, or spears? Lating giving way to Quizilbashes armed with sabers and musket?

There's a few sculpts for the time period, but mostly people seem to be using generic mid-to-late medieval arabs for Safavid infantry. If this because there's not a lot of concrete knowledge out there, or more that there's not a lot of sculpts for the time period?

Marcus Maximus29 Apr 2021 3:36 a.m. PST

@Druzhina those links you listed ar all dead bar the George Gush one?!

"See the bottom of this page for Illustrations of Safavid Soldiers from this book.

See the Shahnama of Shah Tahmasp c. 1522-1540 for illustrations contemporary with the Safavids.

There is a little information in 'Persians and other easterners' by George Gush

See Dr. Kaempfer's Album of Persian Costumes and Animals, 1684-5
including pictures of:
. Persian Royal Bodyguard and Palace Usher
. Persian Musketeers
. Persian or Turkic Cavalryman"

Druzhina30 Apr 2021 8:07 a.m. PST

Perhaps some temporary problems with host and/or domain provider?

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

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