"Perry Miniatures added some British Guards figures" Topic
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Vancouver Brit | 11 Feb 2021 12:57 p.m. PST |
I just saw them. Apologies if they've been there for ages. Might be of interest to some |
JimDuncanUK | 11 Feb 2021 2:32 p.m. PST |
It would be useful to include a link. Here you go: link |
clibinarium | 12 Feb 2021 4:52 a.m. PST |
They are just out, got an email earlier this week about them. |
historygamer | 12 Feb 2021 7:52 a.m. PST |
What kind of trousers are they sculpted in? Hard to tell from the photos. They don't look right to me. |
Major Bloodnok | 13 Feb 2021 3:31 p.m. PST |
They're wear trousers rather than gaiter-trousers |
historygamer | 15 Feb 2021 6:36 a.m. PST |
According to all the reenactors who do that impression, that is not correct. I know one of the units (at least) has the orderly books they go by. In fact, their unit commander told me the other day that they were surprised to find wooden canteens were shipped over to them earlier than first thought (1780?). If I recall correctly, the misinformation on the Guards wearing trousers with spatter dashes instead of gaitred trousers was a mistake made some years ago, and has since been acknowledged. |
42flanker | 15 Feb 2021 1:36 p.m. PST |
Here is the article by William W. Burke & Linea Bass from CMH in 1995, relating to adaptations of Foot Guards uniforms for campaign wear in America: link Lt Col Edward Mathew certainly planned for 'trowsers' to part of the adapted campaign uniform: "2prs – 5/-d" but met with a degree of opposition from the King. However, the the authors went on to say: "Trousers were procured for the men in 1776, as they were in each subsequent year. Mathew had estimated their cost at five shillings for two pair.49 While trousers do not appear on any of the inventories or lists of necessaries actually acquired, they were provided to the detachment. On 28 April, officers commanding companies were given permission to issue them.50 The material of which the trousers were made was never mentioned in 1776. In July of 1777, however, companies in the First Battalion were ordered to acquire drill or duck for trousers, probably the same material that had been used the previous year.51 49 Detachment Orders, 28 April 1776; the Middlesex Journal, Saturday, March 16 to Tuesday, March 19, 1776 reported that the soldiers in the detachment had been provided with "trowsers. . . to wear during the voyage…" 50 Detachment Orders, First Battalion, 3 July 1777. 51 Barrington to Loudoun, 7 February 1776, PRO WO 4196, p. 45." |
historygamer | 15 Feb 2021 3:51 p.m. PST |
Well known info, but thanks for posting. The problem is that during the time period, the term trousers (often spelled as "trozers/trowsers, etc – they were not too good at spelling LoL), is not clear. So what to do? Well, if you like at the rest of the entire army, they went into overalls (also confusingly called trousers by some) for the 1776 campaign and beyond. As another example, it was noted that the two marine battalions drilling at Halifax had gone into round hats (cut down, uncocked, ????), and "trowzers." We know that when the marines were later based out of NYC with the fleet, that each year the admiralty send over thousands of yards of Russian Drill material to make overalls (also called trowzers by some). So look at it another way, can you find any other regiments that wore what we now call trousers, instead of overalls? Further, what does the period artwork show? Based on some of the artwork done during the 1777 campaign, we can see that at least some of the officers did wear trousers, with spatter dashes over them, but the enlisted were all wearing overalls – gaitered trousers (which is why the term trousers was often used). I'll reach out to some of the Guards units to see what they can provide to add to this topic. |
42flanker | 16 Feb 2021 4:20 a.m. PST |
Yep. Just posted it as starting point. |
historygamer | 16 Feb 2021 6:53 a.m. PST |
And a good one it is. :-) |
John the OFM | 16 Feb 2021 8:47 a.m. PST |
Good thing I bought my inaccurate Guards figures years ago, and don't have to agonize over whether I need to buy inaccurate Perry figures. Hinchliffe, of course. And I gave them hand painted Napoleonic era flags too, damn yer eyes! |
Virginia Tory | 17 Feb 2021 12:07 p.m. PST |
I always figured "trowzers" were the kind with gaiters built in. You don't see the others until the 1790s (usually). |
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