"Mali: French military operations face growing resistance" Topic
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Tango01 | 22 Jan 2021 8:50 p.m. PST |
"Moussa Dicko is angry. Wearing a green T-shirt and sunglasses, he is standing a short distance from Independence Square, a roundabout in the center of Bamako, Mali's capital city. He is one of about 30 young men who came to protest against France's military mission — but their demonstration was banned at the last minute. Dicko isn't deterred by the fact that the police are using tear gas to disperse those who came. "We don't want to be manipulated anymore," he said. "Things have got to change." Eight years ago, French troops from the Serval mission, which was followed by the now unpopular Barkhane mission, were hailed as "liberators" after they succeeded in driving out the supporters of the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa (MUJAO) and Ansar Dine Islamic extremists from northern Mali. Taxi drivers decorated their cars with the French flag…" Main page link Amicalement Armand
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Legion 4 | 23 Jan 2021 10:36 a.m. PST |
Too bad … the last thing Africa needs is an opening for more Islamic extremists. |
arealdeadone | 26 Jan 2021 4:29 p.m. PST |
I guess the French think "if we wan't to be a major power we have to have a forever war just like America."
Too bad … the last thing Africa needs is an opening for more Islamic extremists. If it's what they want, let them have it. And a history lesson: Rise in Islamism in Mali is France's fault: 1. France supported successive Malinese governments that oppressed Tuareg minorities who having run out of options chummed up with Islamists. And the French still support these same governments. 2. These same governments were all corrupt and did not work on improving the living standards of Malinese. It made Islamism more appealing. 3. France lead the war to destroy Gaddafhi's Libya which turned Libya into a safe haven for Islamists as well opening up Gaddafhi's massive armouries to all manner of nasty African Islamists. And not difficult smuggling weapons through long porous borders from Libya to Mali or Nigeria or anywhere in Africa. French do this all the time. They never fully relinquished their African empire and still maintain fingers in many African pies.
Former African colonies serve the French as captive markets for French products, sources of raw resources and cheap migrant workers. France also forced ex-colonies to hold their currency reserves in French treasuries. And even though they are now "abandoning" this system, they still will hold control of west African reserves by maintaining members on the new joint currency the west Africans want to develop. link It could be argued France has a vested interest in keeping Africa poor and unstable. |
Legion 4 | 26 Jan 2021 5:05 p.m. PST |
As far as US forever wars … stand by … that may remain the standard shortly. And Yes, I know about most of that … but thank you … IIRC France has a large moslem population, about 9% last I heard. Based on what we see it may be getting even larger. Which is fine if it does not include radicalized locals going jihadi/terrorists etc. Or the same crossing borders into France …
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arealdeadone | 26 Jan 2021 6:50 p.m. PST |
Legion, I don't think playing terrorist whack-a-mole in Mali will help stop terrorism in France. Eg Most of the Bataclan attackers were of Moroccan origin and lived in Brussels, Belgium and probably couldn't find Mali on a map. The recent terrorist stabbing attacks in France were conducted by Pakistanis, Tunisians, Sudanese, Chechens and one French convert. The problem thus is the immigration model itself. And thus Malinese Islamist and Tuareg militias slugging it out with French and Malinese government forces have precious little to do with stopping attacks on France. |
Legion 4 | 27 Jan 2021 4:25 p.m. PST |
The problem thus is the immigration model itself. Yes, that has to be clear … And yes I do standby my post, the last thing Africa needs is an opening for more Islamic extremists. Because they have a tendency to radicalize others or cross into France from other nations, e.g. Belgium. Until killing the jihadis anywhere they are found, runs out of targets … I don't care where they are. And yes I knew where most of those who did the killings were from. The French need to look at who they let into their nation. As should most countries … And yes that means the USA too, IMO … |
arealdeadone | 27 Jan 2021 5:11 p.m. PST |
Legion, a lot of the terrorists in France are actually from Islamic ghettos in Belgium. EU schengen zone makes a mess of border control. And given Muslim birth rates, the decay of western democracy, the destruction of secularism in the muslim world and its increasing replacement by conservative Islam, the odds are with the extremists. Until USA realises KSA, UAE, Qatar etc are heavily involved in spreading Islamism, terrorist whackamole is a waste of time. Of course in your mind they're good guys and great American friends. |
Legion 4 | 28 Jan 2021 8:22 a.m. PST |
Yes, I know this and you & I discussed this here before. Remember ? I am a realist, many in that region are not our friends or even allies, IMO … Save for the Israelis. Of course in your mind they're good guys and great American friends. I never said anything like that. They may be lessors of many evils, etc. I don't know where you got that idea I call them "friends". You should fire whoever you have trying to read my mind. 🔮🧝♀️ a lot of the terrorists in France are actually from Islamic ghettos in Belgium. EU schengen zone makes a mess of border control. Yes I know this and have said before the open borders of the EU only makes it easier for the "bad guys" … And both need to look at how they handle their internal and external "problems" with some in their population. Some of their own making I have a tendency to think(?). I see something similar but no where near the same happening in the USA. In reference to border control and immigration. 'Nuff said … And given Muslim birth rates, the decay of western democracy, the destruction of secularism in the muslim world and its increasing replacement by conservative Islam, the odds are with the extremists. Yes we did talk about this before. And I find that a bit disturbing based on some of their more "religious less secular" members. I have no problem with any religious beliefs, until some members decide they can kill you because you have a different belief system. Regardless of the small percentage of those religions whose members think this is OK. 1 or 2 or 3%(?) can do a lot of damage as we know. E.g. we have a lot of Amish near where I live. They are a very friendly, hard working, etc., religious based group. The only thing you have to be careful of … They make great home & hand made food, furniture, and many other items. But they do know how to make a "profit". You may have to do a little haggling when doing business with them. But their products are worth it. And the only way they may kill is eating too much of their wonderful homemade bake goods !🍞🥞🍩🍪🍰🧁 |
Legion 4 | 29 Jan 2021 8:21 a.m. PST |
Another one bites the dust … So many targets to service in a target rich environment … link |
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