Help support TMP


"Civil War Myth Busting: The Fictional Confederate Irish" Topic


8 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

In order to respect possible copyright issues, when quoting from a book or article, please quote no more than three paragraphs.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the ACW Discussion Message Board


Areas of Interest

American Civil War

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Recent Link


Featured Ruleset

The Blue-Light Manual


Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star 


Featured Showcase Article

1:72nd IMEX Union Soldiers

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian prepares to do some regimental-level ACW gaming.


Featured Profile Article

Report from Bayou Wars 2006

The Editor heads for Vicksburg...


Featured Book Review


1,211 hits since 7 Jan 2021
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?


TMP logo

Membership

Please sign in to your membership account, or, if you are not yet a member, please sign up for your free membership account.
Tango0107 Jan 2021 10:24 p.m. PST

…Brigade at Fredericksburg

"Another anniversary of the battle of Fredericksburg has come and gone. Mention of the December 1862 battle immediately brings to mind the repeated Federal attacks against Marye's Heights that all failed to reach their objective. One of the most famous of those attacks was by the Army of the Potomac's heralded Irish Brigade; going into action with 1,200 men, the five regiments suffered 45% casualties by the time their action was done. The story, already rife with drama, has morphed recently into a legend far more dramatic: The Irish Brigade fought Confederates who were also Irish! The two opposing sides of Irishmen, having immigrated to their new country, now found themselves on the same battlefield shooting each other to pieces.

Sometimes it's a regiment of Confederate Irishmen, sometimes it's even a full Confederate Irish Brigade. Sometimes the story goes so far as to suggest that Robert E. Lee himself feared the Confederate Irish would not shoot their Union brethren, and so had reserves moved up just in case. Except, there's a problem: The whole story is fake. There wasn't a Confederate Irish Brigade (or even regiment) at the base of Marye's Heights. So how did the impression that there was get started?…"
Read more here
link

Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian08 Jan 2021 4:21 a.m. PST

Courtesy of the Emerging Civil War website

Bill N08 Jan 2021 7:24 a.m. PST

The name break on your post is unfortunate Armand. That there were Confederate Irish isn't a myth. It is a fact. What didn't exist was a distinct Confederate brigade made of of Irish troops.

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2021 8:13 a.m. PST

It is estimated that 20,000 Irish soldiers fought for the Confederate Army and 160,000 fought in the Union Army during the Civil War. While there were a number of Irish regiments, including the ‘Fighting 69th', in the Union Army, the only Confederate regiment to be formally designated as Irish was the 10th, raised at Nashville, Tennessee, in April 1861. Under the command of Colonel Randall McGavock, an Irish-American, the regiment saw action in the Western theatre, fighting in Mississippi and Tennessee.


From the 10th Tennessee Re-enactment site
tenthtennessee.org

Tenth Tennessee Volunteer Infantry
Simply Referred As "THE IRISH" – Rebel Sons of Erin

From Ireland History website
link

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2021 12:28 p.m. PST

Agreed – lots of Irishmen in the Confederacy, but the Union was the only one with an Irish Brigade (the Confederate song nonwithstanding)

YouTube link

Tango0108 Jan 2021 12:30 p.m. PST

I just copy the original name/tittle my friend…


Thanks for the info!…

Amicalement
Armand

John the Greater09 Jan 2021 2:07 p.m. PST

There is a book on the subject called "Clear The Confederate Way" It is not perfect, so have a saltshaker handy.

As pointed out, the Confederates did not have units based on ethnicity. The Union did, and not just Irish. There were Germans, Scots, Norwegians, Swedes, etc.

Tango0110 Jan 2021 3:48 p.m. PST

Thanks also my good friend!.

Amicalement
Armand

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.