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Rakkasan07 Jan 2021 7:46 a.m. PST

I am a couple of Michael Hooper's excellent scenario books, Rise of Eagles and Eagles over Bavaria. I am looking for information on converting the scenarios to other rules such as Blucher or Age of Eagles.
Thank you

Attalus I07 Jan 2021 9:10 a.m. PST

The Old Meldrum Wargamers have already made 2 Blucher scenarios for the period you are looking for: Teugen-Hausen & Eckmuhl. See here: link

Rakkasan07 Jan 2021 10:01 a.m. PST

Thank you. I downloaded those. I was hoping to find a formula/process to convert the Shako 2 scenarios to other rules.

Attalus I07 Jan 2021 11:12 a.m. PST

Blucher infantry brigades are 2-3000 men. Cavalry are 1-2000. Artillery units are 18-24 guns. Overstrength & understrength units are 25% larger/smaller than normal. Hope that helps.

Whirlwind07 Jan 2021 11:35 a.m. PST

Hi Rakkassan,

I have played lots of Michael Hopper's scenarios from his various sourcebooks, including:

Rise of Eagles: link

Eagles Over Bavaria: link

Duel of the Princes: link

Michael Hopper's scenarios are very easy to convert, because he gives strengths in terms of real soldiers, all units are assigned to brigades and/or divisions, plus the 'Shako' unit classifications are also very easy to translate into the terms used in your favourite rules (I don't use Shako either).

For 'big battle' rules like Blucher, Polemos Marechal d'Empire, Grande Armee, Volley & Bayonet, Age of Eagles, Napoleon's Battles and so on, it is just a matter of adding up the numbers in the individual units into appropriate 'brigade' sized groups.

For older school rules (General de Brigade, WRG 1685-1845, In the Grand Manner) then because the units have individual strengths, just divide by the figure ratio in your rules and you are done. Computer-moderated rules will just use the number of figures.

For newer rules (say Black Powder, Polemos Napoleonics etc.) that standardize unit sizes, you add up all the infantry then divide by the number of infantry units on both sides and then work out which units are average, small, large or whatever. Alternatively, then divide the total strength of each side by the average strength and then that gives the number of units each side has, e.g. if there are 10 French infantry battalions 500 strong and 5 Austrian battalions 1000 strong. The average battalion is therefore 750-strong, and each side gets 7 infantry units.

Is there a particular ruleset you had in mind to use?

Rakkasan07 Jan 2021 11:49 a.m. PST

Thanks for all the replies.
I play the various Honour rules (Lasalle, Grande Armee, and Blucher) , Age of Eagles, and experimenting with Black Powder.
I will try out Whirlwind's recommendations

Whirlwind08 Jan 2021 1:58 a.m. PST

Rakkasan,

If you tell me which particular scenario you are looking at, I will have a go at converting it (I think I I could do it for all the rules you mentioned except Age of Eagles).

SHaT198408 Jan 2021 3:06 p.m. PST

If based on 'real' numbers/ organisation, I fail to see the problem.
Where abstracted, well, how realistic can it [game] ever be?
Not a problem in 40 years of using any data input to generate an alternative output…
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Tango0108 Jul 2021 9:22 p.m. PST

15mm Napoleonic Prussian vs Austrian- Shako II rules


link

Armand

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