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Tango0112 Dec 2020 9:39 p.m. PST

"From the jungles of Vietnam to deserts in the Middle East, the M4 can make it through just about anything.

The M4 story starts with the CAR-15 carbine, deep in the jungles of Vietnam.

The famous M16 rifle was introduced during that conflict and promised to bring a revolution in small arms. Firing the comparatively small .223 Remington round, the rifle allowed soldiers and Marines to carry more ammunition into combat on a lightweight platform…"
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Frederick Supporting Member of TMP13 Dec 2020 10:34 a.m. PST

For a great account of the development of the M-16 versus the AK-47 I would recommend "The Gun" by CJ Chivers

Tango0113 Dec 2020 3:44 p.m. PST

Thanks!.


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Wolfhag13 Dec 2020 6:09 p.m. PST

In the early 1970's when the Marines were transitioning I carried the M14 and M16 at different duty stations.

Personally, I liked the M14 better as I was a competition shooter. However, the ability to carry 30%-50% more ammo in ammo pouches and stick 5.56mm 20 round mags almost anywhere in your pack or pockets was a real deal maker. I shot expert with both but did better overall with the M14. We had the earlier M16's where you needed to use a live round to adjust the elevation on the front sight. That's got to be one of the worst designs ever. We also had the short/long range flip up rear sights adjustable for windage only.

One time on qual day with my M16 we moved from the 200 yard to the 500 yard line. I forgot to flip my rear sight up to the long range aperture. My first 2 shots were way low and barely in the black when I recognized my mistake. I flipped it up and put the rest of the rounds in the black at chest height on the silhouette target. The trajectory difference between the two settings at 200 and 500 yards is about 15"-18".

Surprisingly, they both made the same "crack" sound when going over your head.

The addition of the ACOG sight to the M4 significantly increased the M4 effectiveness even with the shorter barrel by eliminating much of the range estimation and aiming error. My son said in Yemen they were getting hits at up to 750 yards with the standard issued M4 and ACOG. From my analysis, if you can estimate the range to +/-5% you have about a 50% chance of a hit on a human size target under good conditions. With a spotter you can track the vapor trail to make adjustments.

However, he said it was pretty much worthless in room clearing and got in the way.

Wolfhag

Tango0114 Dec 2020 12:07 p.m. PST

Thanks also…

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